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The moral implications of evolution, and their discontents.

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FliesOnly

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Message 10 of 124 (438583)
12-05-2007 11:41 AM

Reply to: Message 9 by Fosdick
12-05-2007 11:20 AM

Re: Morality and bicamerality

Hoot Mon writes:

But if the evolution of human consciousness is at all biological we'd have to say that morality is an atavism of the primitive bicaremal state of mind (per Julian Jaynes).

Uh? Morality is a throwback to believing in God...is that what you're trying to say?

Hoot Mon writes:

Simply put, science became the necessary tool for humans to evolve beyond bicamerality in order to gain our advanced form of consciousness.

We used science to eliminate our need for God?

Honestly, I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

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Message 12 of 124 (438606)
12-05-2007 1:24 PM

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12-05-2007 12:16 PM

Re: Morality and bicamerality

Hey, I was just trying to figure out if I was reading your post correctly.

Hoot Mon writes:

Morality is an artifact of a belief system, not as fact of life or reality.

So evolutionary theory has no bearing on morality. On this we agree?

Hoot Mon writes:

If I regard myself as "amoral" would you then regard me as "immoral"?

I would regard you as amoral.

Hoot Mon writes:

FliesOnly writes:

We used science to eliminate our need for God?

Oh, yes, and it's such a painfil process!

Well, actually science doesn't necessarily lead to the elimination God.

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Message 54 of 124 (439049)
12-07-2007 7:42 AM

Reply to: Message 52 by kuresu
12-07-2007 4:24 AM

Way OT...but I have to ask

Kuresu, let me start by saying that I enjoyed your latest post (as a way of keeping it ever so slightly on topic). The many lies of so many "Christians" are so well documented that it's stunning the denial(s) they put forth.

Nonetheless, on to the reason for this message. In looking at you photo, you look so unbelievably familiar to someone I know that I have to ask...are you really from Boulder Co (...or maybe I should ask...are you currently in Boulder Co), and/or are you actually living on an Island out in Lake Michigan?

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Message 62 of 124 (439159)
12-07-2007 2:32 PM

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12-07-2007 11:56 AM

Re: Way OT...Thanks...and now we're done...maybe...

Kuresu:

I can assure you that you have a twin

. And oddly, if it means anything (and there's no reason it should)...he's a really nice guy and now, when I read your posts, I find myself "hearing" them in his voice.

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