The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?

It is for me

At 72, facing the constellation of ills the flesh is heir to, I neither possess nor care much about badassery.The sweetest, most innocent little girl who ever lived is more badass than a made-up creature of vengeance and torment.However, you may have perceived a core truth about me: you could conceivably persuade me this god entity exists, and I still wouldn't worship it.

Percy, you do not know what the woman is ding in the first
photo, nor in the second.In any event, you can find perverts acting perverted.These perverts are no different than those who think that
finding trees dated at 30,000 years inside of mountains and
rocks dated at 50,000,000 years is normal.I told my wife that the pictures you stated you were going to
post would be of BlacksWhy?Because you, like Darwin, and the Nazis, believe that Whites
are higher up on the evolutionary scale.Many Americans also believe this lie. This is why test scores
are lowered for them. Many Americans believe that Blacks
are not intelligent enough to obtain ID'S. This is why they say
it is racist to require them to provide ID'S in order to vote.We are all created in the image of God. We all all of one race.
This is the human race.Without the Creator there would be absolutely nothing.Nothing is what rocks dream about.

Omnivorous, you wrote:"The sweetest, most innocent little girl who ever lived is
more badass than a made-up creature of vengeance and
torment."***Everybody gets mad at God when He does nothing
to prevent evil, and they get mad at Him when He
destroys those who cause evil.When one if us kills another human being we cannot
give that life back to them.When God destroys, such as all those who were killed in
the global flood, He is capable of bringing them back to
life. And He will do so.Everyone who has ever lived and died, from Adam to the
time of Christ's return, will be brought back to mortal life
and given an opportunity to live and experience God's
way if life. The way of give.The exceptions are those whom God called and enlightened,
while offering them a place in His coming Kingdom, if they
should reject His calling.There are others who have been so incorrigibly wicked
that they receive no opportunity after the resurrection.God is both willing and desiring to have all of us to
become members of His family. But it is not an easy
task.In order for us to grow spiritually we must have free choice.And a big part of us growing spiritually is to experience
the bad with the good.I have experienced pain so deeply that I would have almost
rather been dead. But, I have grown and learned from these
difficult times.My pain has led to me have a high degree of empathy
for what others go through. My experiences have
instilled within me a good deal of patience with others
and what they go through.I had no patience at all for many years. But God had been
patient with me. And He has proven to me that patience is
a great virtue.You and others talk about an evil God. But wars and such
not from following God's way of give. Wars are caused by
Satan (the current god of this age) and his way if get.Wars are never started by those who teach and practice
God's 10 Commandments.Not everyone who calls himself a Christian is a Christian.
A true Christian lives his life based of the example that
Jesus set for us.If we truly loved one another as much as we love ourself,
and if we treated others the way that we want them to
treat us, there would be no more wars. There would be no
more murders, adulterers, liars, thieves, etc.Jesus plainly said that there is no greater love than to lay
down one's life for a friend.God looks at one's heart. He looks at our motives for doing
certain things.If a man has led a life totally contrary to God's laws, and
has caused suffering to others, God condemns him.But, if this same individual rushes into a burning building
to save others, and dies as a result. This person has
committed the greatest act of love and sacrifice.God will not forget him.I would not trade what I know about God and His
character for anything in the world. He loves us.

They're doing pretty much exactly what it looks like they're doing. And you're the judge of what constitutes perversion? Now you're calling scientists perverted? You have some pretty disturbing opinions. Yes, as I said, we're all Homo sapiens who, in your words, "sniffed each others butts,
and picked lice and fleas off of each other." The topic of the thread is that the historical Jesus created the universe.--Percy

Percy, you stated:"Yes, as I said, we're all Homo sapiens who, in your words,
"sniffed each others butts, and picked lice and fleas off of
each other."I haven,'t seen anyone sniffing butts or picking off fleas
and lice.The kid in the first picture could be having an injury to
her head treated.I do not know what Kanye is doing. I can't see his nose
breath in and out.You can believe that what you want about these pictures,
but it's only your opinion.You stated:"The topic of the thread is that the historical Jesus
created the universe."***This is true. This is also why I stated that without the
Creator nothing would exist.Nothing is what rocks dream about.
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You wrote:"Now you're calling scientists perverted?"***Anyone who thinks that a tree dated at 30,000 years
old is incased in a mountain over 50,000,000 years old
is definitely perverted in their thinking.

No one thinks this. This is gibberish. Rocks don't dream.

What the hell stupid nonsense are you talking about this time? Still spreading baseless creationist lies? Why are you unable to serve your god except with lies? (that should be a clue)How's 'bout you something that you have never done before and provide us with a LINK?Which of course you will never do, because even you must realize that you're lying. The same goes for dirt. And you are the one who believes that you literally came from dirt.So what the hell are you talking about?

You wondered how anyone could believe we're (using your exact words) "descended from animals who sniffed each others butts, and picked lice and fleas off of each other." But these are activities in which Homo sapiens currently engage. One would expect evolutionarily related animals to engage in similar behaviors to some extent, so this evidence is consistent with evolution. This thread is not about the Creator. It's about the historical Jesus and how he created the universe.ICANT's argument for his thesis goes something like this: I said it, I believe it, that settles it.--Percy

Percy, you wrote:"This thread is not about the Creator. It's about the historical
Jesus and how he created the universe."***The Creator and Jesus are the exact same Person . Jesus
is the Creator.Since we both know that it is impossible for nothing to
produce something, we also know that Someone can
produce something.The Holy Bible is a collection of 66 books, written by 36
individual, over a span of 1500 years.The Holy Bible asserts that Jesus created the universe
and all that is in it.Only someone with a misguided agenda would dismiss
the claims of the 66 books contained in the Holy Bible.Why?Because the Bible made numerous prophecies that have
come true. It really is amazing.Here are just a few of the OT prophecies about Jesus
that were fulfilled in the NT.*Jesus was born of virgin.*Jesus was born in Bethlehelm.*Jesus was to be from the seed of Abraham, Issac,
Jacob, Judah, David, etc.*Both the death and resurrection of Jesus was predicted
and fulfilled.*The God of Moses was the Great I AM. Jesus in the NT
was the Great I AM.*The NT states that Jesus taught in parables, just as the
OT predicted.*Jesus was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, just as the OT
promised.*The OT stated that the Messiah would end up in Egypt;
He did.*He was our Passover Lamb, just as promised.There are dozens of other OT prophecies concerning
Jesus that were fulfilled in the OT.Also, archeology has confirmed amazing evidence that
supports people, places, and things in the Bible.For example:Hezekiah's tunnel and seal; Caiaphas' ossuary; heel of a
crucified man, with nail still embedded; route of the Red
Sea crossings, etc....These are just a few.It is ludicrous to believe that dozens of people, covering
a span of 1500 years, could, or even would, fabricate
these events.Since all these assertions were/are true, the assertion
that Jesus created the universe has credibility.Without the Creator (Jesus) there would be nothing.There isn't even "nature" to create ANYTHING, when there
is absolutely nothing.Nothing is what rocks dream about.

So you're saying that the answer to the thread's question is no?--Percy

Percy, you stated:"So you're saying that the answer to the thread's
question is no?"***The answer is that Archeology and fulfilled Bible prophecy
are strong evidence that Jesus Christ is the Creator of
the universe.Evidence for Jesus as the Creator is what this thread is
about. ICANT might have overstepped his assertion, but
I offer evidence.If you are gullible enough to think that prophecy is
simple, tell me exactly what time I will go to bed tonight,
or what I will eat for dinner. Tell me what car I will
purchase in two weeks.Get one right and I will be impressed. Get two right and
I will withdraw my evidence.Get none right and I will say that you have proven my point.We all know that there is/ was a Creator. Without the
Creator there would be nothing.Nothing is what rocks dream about.

I don't think so. The thread's title is The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?. ICANT didn't make an assertion. He asked a question. See the thread's title again.--Percy

Perhaps you would like us to historically prove that these prophecies were fulfilled. We can leave out ones which are so easily fulfilled as to be worthless, like being Jewish or teaching in parables.Don’t forget to include that actual test of the prophecies and where they appear in the a Bible so that we can read the context.As a hint, historians do not unreservedly trust any sources - especially sources which are unreliable and heavily biased.

Paulk, you wrote:"Don’t forget to include that actual test of the prophecies
and where they appear in the a Bible so that we can read
the context."***You are right, Paulk. And I should gave done that. I will
quote the OT prophecy, and where it was fulfilled in the NT.It might take me a little to to look up and cross reference.It might take me a day, two at the most, but I will list them.I would do it sooner, but I am helping a friend move.I will try to post them tomorrow. I will add other info to it.​