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Author Topic:   FREE WILL....... or is it.
John
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Message 13 of 58 (30470)
01-28-2003 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by funkmasterfreaky
01-28-2003 5:08 PM


Funk, buddie, it doesn't make any difference whether you know or not.
If the oracle is infallible, anything predicted is locked in tight.
If God is infallible, anything predicted is locked in tight.
SO you have:
1) God is omniscient and infallible, and there is no free will.
2) God is omniscient but not infallible, and there is free will.
3) God is not-omniscient but is ifallible, and there is free will.
4) God is neither omniscient nor infallible, and there is free will.
Take your pick.
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John
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Message 23 of 58 (30702)
01-30-2003 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Peter
01-30-2003 4:57 AM


If you perform some action-- say, flip a light switch-- then step back in time to observe it, you aren't observing the same event. There is an extra character in the play-- the future you who has traveled to the past. Unless, of course, you were there watching the first time you flipped the switch but then you will caught in an endless loop of watching-switch-flipping. Have fun
Did free will evaporate? In the first case you aren't observing the same event so assuming that free will was there to start with, it ought to still be there. In the second case, due to the loop of time that must be infinite free will neve could have been there. Hope this helps
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John
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Message 26 of 58 (30735)
01-30-2003 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by shilohproject
01-30-2003 1:04 PM


quote:
(BTW, the study of Logic is often one of showing the invalidating error in an otherwise sound looking arguement. I'm not quite sure of the error in the cited refutation, but something seems faulty. I wonder if I have the old text lying around...)
There is a problem with the premises in that they are not verifiable. That doesn't mean that something is wrong with the argument. Logically, the truth or falsity of the premises is irrelevant, though practically, bad premises means the argument is inapplicable and so pretty much meaningless. Logic deals with a simple if/then equation-- If (whatever the premises are) then (does the conclusion follow). The debate over free-will and omniscience/infallibility is mostly theological. Christian theology, for the most part, claims all three-- omniscience of God, the infallibility of God, and the existence of free-will. Well, assuming those three premises, a contradiction emerges.
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Message 47 of 58 (42268)
06-06-2003 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Asgara
06-06-2003 4:47 PM


Re: Free Will?
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Someone please tell me if my simple logic is off.
I'd say your simple logic is right on.
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