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jar
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Message 4 of 79 (164792)
12-02-2004 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by macaroniandcheese
12-02-2004 11:22 PM


Why would the tides be any higher if there were no land? What causes tides and determines their height is the gravitational attraction between the earth and moon ( and to a lessor extent the sun, all the other objects can be ignored, their influence is simply too small). Whether or not there is land above the water is immaterial. The attraction between the Earth and the Moon is still the same and so the tides would still be the same.
It's a classic example of telling a lie convincingly.
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Message 6 of 79 (164800)
12-03-2004 12:13 AM
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12-03-2004 12:06 AM


Doesn't matter if it were dry or not. The tides would still be the same but if the land were significantly below the water level, you would not get the mechanical height rise created by slopes or constrictions (Bay of Fundy, Minas Basin).
But like so many of Hovinds's assertions it is simply wrong. If he taught science he knows it is wrong. If he does not know it was wrong then he is either a real liar or was a lousy science teacher.

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Message 9 of 79 (164805)
12-03-2004 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lithodid-Man
12-02-2004 8:30 PM


re: Geological Column.
Hovind said:
Now, you might want to know a couple of things about this geologic columnand I taught earth science for 15 yearsthe geologic column is the bible to the evolutionists. That’s their bible folks. Secondly, it can only be found one place in the worldin the textbook. The geologic column does not exist in reality.
Again, if he actually taught science, particularly Earth Sciences, he should know that is simply an incorrect statement. He is either lying or is again shown to be a really, really poor teacher.
Here is a Link to information on just where a complete example of the Geological Column can be found. And it's not just one location, but at least 25 other locations around the globe. As we continue exploring we will certainly find even more examples.

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jar
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Message 25 of 79 (165144)
12-04-2004 1:11 PM
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12-04-2004 12:56 PM


Re: re: Geological Column.
Actually, if the Earth were found to have uniform stratigraphic sections everywhere, this might be excellent evidence for creationism. It would be damn hard to explain with geologic process concepts as we know them.
I agree completely. But it is simply another example of Hovind playing shell games. It is like his arguement of indicator fossils being a circular argument. That's simply hiding the truth.
Perhaps this is as good a place to deal with that issue as any.
Two general questions particularly addressed to anyone (notably absent so far from this discussion as usual) who support the creationist contention that indicator fossils are an example of a circular arguement.
Can you explain what indicator fossils are and how they were identified?
Can you explain why indicator fossils are used?

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Message 29 of 79 (165189)
12-04-2004 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
12-04-2004 3:23 PM


Re: They are still funny now
Oh, c'mon, it's not just the press and pop, is it? Maybe it's that you are dodging some primary stuff in your biased stance and your anxiety to dogpile on Hovind.
Not really. He claims to have been an earth sciences teacher for 15 years. As such, it is reasonable to expect him to have atleast as much knowledge as the average educated individual about earth sciences. Yet time after time he shows that he simply does not know what he's talking about. The ONLY possible conclusion is that either he is a liar or that he is totally incompetent. Since he has been informed of many of his errors and continues to embrace them, it is hard to imagine that he is only incompetent.

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Message 57 of 79 (167410)
12-12-2004 2:53 PM
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12-12-2004 2:43 PM


Re: Biased?
From what I have seen of Dr. D, there is nothing in his doctrine that makes any sense (much less good sense) or that is crdible. The man is a liar or a fool, one or the other. If he was, as he claims, an earth sciences teacher he was a piss poor one and deserved to be fired.

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