Thoughts On Robin Collins and the Many Universe Generator

Would we be having this conversation if the universe didn't form at all?It's like saying "it's a miracle that I exist at all because if my parents didn't have sex at the exact time that they did then there wouldn't be me standing around..." The question is would you be questioning the chances of your existence if you didn't exist at all?My brother married a girl he met on a California beach. They now have 2 chidren. What if my brother arrived at the beach 3 seconds later or earlier? Chances are that they wouldn't have met each other at all. Well, the fact of the matter is they did meet each other and they did get married... after 2 years of expensive phone bills.

Well, the obvious question is how do you know? We have only been able to observe this particular universe in our very small part of it. How do we know that it wouldn't have turned out to be a universe, regardless of what the universal constants happened to be?The fact of the matter is we really don't know enough about the beginning of the universe or if there is a possibility at all that the universe could have existed in another form with a different set of laws and constants. I'd say that it's a little premature to say that there was a creator just like there was someone that masterminded a meeting between my brother and his wife on the beach.I must agree that there was a weakness in my analogy. I was assuming that the person questioning his own existence was a mature adult who's been through life and learned that there are many many other women out there. I should have said that what if my 1 year old nephew questioned the chances of his own existence? He's too young to even know that my brother could have met any other girls out there and concieved a totally different person. To him, it was a miracle. Well, that's what we are if you consider what we can know compared to what we do know.This message has been edited by Lam, 10-08-2004 11:18 AM

No, the only presumption is to leave a blank spot for future people to solve.Read this thread to see why we can't use common sense and presumptions for something as complex as what we are talking about.

I'm inclined to go back to my brother as an example. The odds of him meeting the girl of his dream while in California for vacation and have the 2 wonderful children are astronomical, considering that he could have gone to Florida or elsewhere.As I stated before, there's no way to tell if our set of laws and constants are the only ones possible. You are coming from a premise that says "all things that are improbable are impossible." This is a false premise.Also, odds according to what? Your common sense? Noone has ever made such calculation and been taken seriously.

What a mess of BS. This is bull crap.

I went away for the weekend and found about 4 new pages about the subject. Sorry that I commented in my previous post. I'll just leave you with some others here that are well into the discussion already.

Strawman.

The difference is no reputable scientists have ever confirmed this fine-tuned universe calculation and Einstein's relativity has been confirmed many times. In fact, I'll be learning that next semester.What Crash's been trying to get at is the fine-tuned universe math calculations are totally unconfirmed by mainstream science. Quite frankly, my astro-physics professor thinks it's a whole lot of nonsense that looks like something is really going on. Why is it nonsense? It has too much assumptions to begin with. You might want to ask Eta to tell you what's going on with the math stuff. He's a theoretical physicist on this board.Anyway, don't mind me. Continue on with whatever you were talking about.

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