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Loudmouth
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Message 119 of 159 (186408)
02-17-2005 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Jordo86
02-17-2005 9:21 PM


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But then where did the energy come from that is present WITHIN the universe?
The best analogy that I know of is addition.
We all know that 0=0. However, 1-1=0 as well, as does 2-2, 3-3, and 1000000000-1000000000. The yin and yang of the universe is energy and gravity. Current theories state that gravity is actually negative energy. Therefore, the net energy of the universe may actually be zero.

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Loudmouth
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Message 136 of 159 (186528)
02-18-2005 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Jordo86
02-18-2005 11:07 AM


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I wasnt asking if evolution had an answer, i was asking if evolutionists did.
The tag "evolutionist" is a bit silly to begin with. If you accept the theory of gravity are you a gravitationlist? If you accept Germ theory are you a germist? I guess that would make me a evolution-gravitation-germist. Those that accept evolution follow very different philosophies, such as theistic evolutionists. Theistic evoltionists would say that the Universe was started by God while agnostics and atheists would say that the Universe was started by a quantum fluctuation or simply say "I don't know".

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Loudmouth
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Message 140 of 159 (186547)
02-18-2005 1:02 PM
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02-18-2005 11:44 AM


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Up until this point when i have said "evolutionist" i have meant "athiestic evolutionists". Thanks for the tip Yeah your right, its not specific is it. I will make sure i am more specific in future. Up until this point when i have said "evolutionist" i have meant "athiestic evolutionists". Thanks for the tip
A lot of people get hung up on that as well, especially christians who are new to the debate. Evolution does not equal atheism/agnosticism. Even the Catholic Church accepts the theory of evolution as an explanation for our earthly form, but they do say that only God could have given us our soul. For theistic evolutionists the theory of evolution is consistent with God's Creation. For them, evolution is the tool that God used to create. Getting back to the topic, theists accept that God created the natural laws, and one of those laws may have resulted in the creation of the Universe. Science is about explanations but it stays away from philosophy/theology which deal with Ultimate Causes.

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