Thermodynamics

Good God! We've been over this a million times already.

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Here is a link to the webpage of one of the top creationist organizations website telling their fellow creationists not to use this argument.This message has been edited by Jacen, 02-13-2005 10:25 AM

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.

Sorry about that. Now, you know.This message has been edited by Jacen, 02-13-2005 10:44 AM

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Refusal to use the search engine may cause brain cancer.

Here is the right link. It is a link to a list of arguments creationists shouldn't use. The link is to the website of one of the leading YEC organizations.

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Refusal to use the search engine may cause brain cancer.

Let's just say that using the second law of thermodynamics to support an argument against biological evolution requires using more layman's terms than the acceptable level.When I explain a scientific concept to someone, I often find myself having to use a lot of layman's terms. It is my experience that people often think they understood everything there is to know about a scientific concept after only 15 minutes of hearing it in layman's terms. I personally think that using the 2nd law of Thermodynamics is an example of such a case. Instead of using "entropy", we have to resort to using "measurement of disorder".Here are some things the user should know.1) In order for something to follow the law, it must be a closed system.--A life form is not a closed system.2) Even if we put a cell inside a closed container that contains only the basic "stuff" to keep the cell alive, we will very quickly observe that the disorder inside the cell is less than the disorder of the environment outside the cell. In other words, the cell wall actively pumps out certain particles and pumps in certain particles to create less entropy INSIDE the cell. However, this process causes an increase in entropy in the cell's surroundings. No law has been violated.3) Complexity does not equal entropy. See what happens when you try to use too much layman's terms and not enough understanding of the technicalities behind them?Coincidently, we have a way to measure entropy. How do you measure complexity?

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Refusal to use the search engine may cause brain cancer.

Hahaha.Yes, all systems tend to operate with a trend in accordance with the second law. But the relationship between a closed system and an open system is like that of a real gas and an ideal gas. They tend to act like that... but not really.But yes, it was a mistake for me to say that.

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Refusal to use the search engine may cause brain cancer.

That's interesting. Care to explain more?

Dude, don't stay up late because of this. I stay up late to study... but not til 4 in the morning.However, if you want to see your creator sooner than usual, you can continue on what you're doing.

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Refusal to use the search engine may cause brain cancer.

Read Message 26 by JonF.

Yes, but what does this have to do with evolution?