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nator
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Message 52 of 79 (208327)
05-15-2005 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Alasdair
05-13-2005 3:10 PM


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Does anybody know why this is the case in the US and nowhere else in the industrialised world?
Poor education in science and critical thinking and logic among the entire populace +
lots of protections for lots of crazy religions +
tradition of Christian religious extremeism ever since the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock =
prominent Creationist movement.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 53 of 79 (208333)
05-15-2005 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Limbo
05-14-2005 10:03 PM


Re: A second thought experiment
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Maybe not, but they could eventually be ruled out by pure unchallenged philosophical naturalism...the father of secular religions and dogma. So which will it be? Naturalism, in which we have no soul, no destiny, no cosmic karma, no essence, no spark?
As I have explained to you once or twice before, Methodological Naturalism is not the same as Ontological Naturalism.
ON is the philosophy that "nature is all there is".
MN is the way scientific investigations are carried out, and it requires that we can only use naturalistic explanations for natural phenomena.
MN neither confirms not denies the existence of the supernatural in general. No scientist is ever required to believe or embrace the philosophy of ON in order to do good science.
This is why we have scientists of many diverse religions, and no religion, able to work together and speak a common language in order to uncover how natural phenomena work.
If ON becomes the overriding philosophy of everyday people, however, then them's the breaks for those who wish the whole world was religious.

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nator
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Message 54 of 79 (208334)
05-15-2005 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Limbo
05-14-2005 11:09 PM


Re: A second thought experiment
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Very interesting. We have something in common then, the belief that something could have at one time been outside of nature i.e. supernatural in the purest sence of the word.
It seems inconsistant with a Darwinian worldview so far.
And just what is this "Darwinian worldview" you refer to?
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This is the root of the problem. The average person on the street has little idea of the full philosophical implications of Darwinism, and how they lead to inconsistant philosophical worldviews for Americans.
The average person on the street has little idea of any basic Biology at all.
Also, what are the "full philosophical implications" of "the change in allele frequencies in populations over time"?
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Religious people sence these inconsistancies easily...they just have a hard time separting their religious views from their philosophical views...add on top of that the difficulty separating the theories of science from the philosophical implications of these theories and its easy to see why there is so much inconsistancy and contradiction in American culture.
Scientific theories are wholly separate from any philosophical implications that people choose to construct from them.
Do you blame Astronomy for the Heaven's Gate mass suicide?

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