NosyNed writes:
Could you list those things?
Martin writes:
First, list the VAST amount of things creation scientists and evolution scientists agree about? Well, perhaps I'll just mention a few examples, and then I'm sure you'll get the picture.
They agree about the physical reasons why laser technology works, about the nuclear processes that occur in the unseen center of the Sun, electronics, gravity . . . I mean, I'm sure you get the idea; the list goes on and on in this vein, wouldn't you agree?
Well, I'm glad you think they agree on those things. (as an aside they don't agree on nuclear processes in general). However, it is interesting that none of the things you listed are specifically something that would fall into the perview of an "evolution scientist" so they are rather useless in clearing up my confusion on what you are talking about.
Martin writes:
...somehow, life must have come into existence on its own. Creation scientists disagree with the evolution scientists' rhetoric that indicates that because we must limit our studies to nature, nature is all there is (enter the "somehow, life must have come into existence on its own" textbook typicality).
It seems you have two items in this "list":
1) There disagree on the origin of life. Something which is not central to "evolution science" so it also misses the central point I am trying to understand.
2)Nature is all there is. What is specific about this in regards to "evolution science"? It is true that all sciences study what they can. You can't study something you can't detect or test or theorize about. It is not a big surprise that it is left out.
So you still haven't helped me understand what you are getting at at all.
Martin writes:
Do you mean that if God really did create the universe and everything in it, he certainly wouldn't have done it in a relatively quick fashion as opposed to the methodology that might appease the nats to a degree? If for the moment, and for the sake of argument, you're considering the idea of a Creator, why would it seem so odd if he was to create a la yec-ish?
"relatively quick"? Sure, the issue isn't how long he took to create the universe. The issue is, in the case of young earther, how long it has been around since then and specifically how long the earth and life on it has been around. So your example there seems to, again, suggest that you aren't a young earther.
What I am after is, within the bounds of evolutionary science, what do creationists and biologists agree on. Here is an attempt below. Note that since there seems to be very little agreement among creationists it is not possible to list anything which they will all be in agreement with.
1)They both agree that a lot of macro evolution has happened. That is they both agree that over some time period new species and genera have arisen.
2)They both agree that there have been different forms of life on earth that are not longer here. In fact, I think they both agree that there have been many, many species that no longer exist.
3)They both agree that most all areas of the earth have been subject to a variety of geological processes. Including sedimentation, volcanic activity and world wide techtonic movements.
They disagree on:
1)Creationists think that the macro evolution occured in a few hundred or at most a couple of thousand years. They also think that this all occured at the genus level and down. Biologists would not expect more than very rare cases of such rapid evolution and think it occured across all the taxa.
2)Biologists say that when one set of forms of life was extant modern ones were not. Creationists think that at one time they were all there together.
3)Creationists think that all (or most) of the geologic evidence was laid down in about 1 year. Geologists (not evolutionary biologists specifically) are sure that this is total nonsense. (if I am allowed to step out of biology for a moment).
There, was that so hard? Why couldn't you produce something like that since you have been making the assertions in the first place? Now that you have the idea perhaps you can double the size of the lists yourself.
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