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Author Topic:   Buz's refutation of all radiometric dating methods
Brian
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Message 182 of 269 (45527)
07-09-2003 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Buzsaw
07-09-2003 12:26 AM


HI Buz,
The critics are contending that Carl's hammer head was a 19th century hammer by style, but my rebut to that is that a hammer is a hammer is a hammer.
Come on Buz be serious here. If a 'hammer is a hammer is a hammer', then a chariot wheel is a chariot wheel is a chariot wheel! The fundamentals are the same Buz, both are artefacts.
But you know that there are many different kinds of chariot wheels from many different civilisations and eras. Well there are also many different types of 'hammers' as well, ranging from hard wooden clubs to stone headed hammers to iron headed hammers.
Anyway, back to the topic, I cannot find anything about the hammer on Baugh's site, can you tell me how he dated it and when it is dated to (according to Baugh)?
Many Thanks.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 189 of 269 (45587)
07-10-2003 4:54 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Buzsaw
07-09-2003 1:45 PM


Hi Buz,
There was no deception intended, it was a genuine attempt to educated you in a basic premise of archaeological research. The example was to help you think about what you are claiming. I know you have read about chariot wheels as you have posted messages about them before, that was why I used the chariot wheels as an example to illustrate that each individual find is unique. It isnt just the construction of the hammer that has to be considered, the circumstances of the find are important too. The levels above and below the find are very important for dating an artefact, the location of the find may even indicate if the artefact is local or not. If it ins't local then this could indicate a 'nomadic' group or even point to early trading amongst groups.
Also, I wasnt spinning anything, since the thread is about your rejection of dating methods, I was simply interested in how Baugh dated the hammer, and then why you would accept his dating method above every other one.
You keep citing people to support your cause who are not experts in their fields, if anything, they are embarrassments not only to the discipline that they are trying represent, but they are also embarrassments to any level headed observer. You use Baugh as an expert and the guy has been shown to be little more than a crank, you even doubt his abilities yourself now.
But perhaps the most ridiculous 'expert' you use is Ron Wyatt, you take the word of this ex-nurse over the word of highly trained and dedicated archaeologists, this guy had no clue about even the basics of archaeological methodology, but then again he didnt need it. There are so many gullible desparate Bible believers out there, so anxious to have anything to support the Bible stories that they swallow any garbage thrown their way.
I need to let you in on a secret Buz. Hovind, Baugh, Wyatt et al, are all making a complete fool out of you and all the other people who swallow their grabage. When you present their arguments to anyone who even has a basic understanding of the area they are representing, all you are doing is showing the person that you are trying to persuade that you havent done any critical research.
There's nothing wrong with trying to defend your beliefs, but some people simply refuse to change their stance regardless of what evidence is presented to them.
Finally, good luck with your personal search, I hope you find what you are looking for.
Best Wishes.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 191 of 269 (45592)
07-10-2003 5:29 AM


Just in case any observers are interested, these dates are taken from Volkmar Fritz, An Introduction to Biblical Archaeology Journal for the Study of the Old Testament Supplementary Series Sheffield, 1996, pp.74&75
Neolithic 8000-4000
Chalcolithic 4000-3150
Early Bronze Age I 3150-2950
Early Bronze Age 11 2950-2650
Early Bronze Age III 2650-2350
Early Bronze Age IV 2350-2150
Middle Bronze Age I 2150-1950
Middle Bronze Age IIA 1950-1750
Middle Bronze Age 1113 1750-1550
Late Bronze Age I 1550-1400
Late Bronze Age II 1400-1200
Iron Age I 1200-1000
Iron Age IIA 1000-900
Iron Age II13 900-700
Iron Age IIC 700-587
Iron Age III 587-332
Hellenistic Period 332-37
Roman Period 37BCE-324CE
Byzantine Period 324-634CE
There are minor disagreements over the exact dates of the transitions, but these, in this instance, are negligible.

  
Brian
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Message 228 of 269 (46187)
07-16-2003 4:08 AM



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