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Jazzns
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Message 52 of 174 (326440)
06-26-2006 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Faith
06-26-2006 1:14 AM


a worldwide flood could certainly leave limestone deposits in one place
No flood geologist, arm-chair or otherwise, has ever come up with a mechanism for the flood to deposit limestone. The mere existance of limestone refutes the flood without resorting to some "the rules were WAAAY different back then. Up was down, down was up. It was total craziness" kind of argument. Since it is OT for this thread, if you have discovered how a global flood could deposit limestone then please start a thread to inform all of us. I would LOVE to know how that would be possible.
But my point was that whatever you can say about how ridiculous the flood scenario is, can be said back about the ridiculous idea of thick worldwide layers of homogeneous sediments with predictable fossil contents that don't spill over into the layers above and below, but just stay right there in their own peculiar sediment bed, sharply demarcated from the different sediments above and below, very sharply and neatly. Millions of years of only one kind of sediment-plus-particular fossil contents maybe, followed by millions of years of only another completely different kind of sediment. I know I've said this a million times and it's called an argument from incredulity, but some things just don't make sense on the face of them if you actually think about it.[/qs]
Except for all those examples of geologic strata in the real world that refute your over simplification. When choosing between an unformed fantasy of some online poster and the actual rocks that I can go outside and look at, I'll take reality any day. Since this is off topic, how about you go start a thread to back this up. Something more than you just pointing at pictures of the GC and saying, "see look how neat they are!" Somehow I don't think you will but one can always hope.
Back to your regularly scheduled topic.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 64 of 174 (326455)
06-26-2006 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Faith
06-26-2006 4:21 AM


So funny people can say such things with a straight face. There are these millions-of-years-long periods of slow accumulation of just one kind of sediment, or mix of sediments -- usually called by the name of one only and pretty uniform at that despite your claim -- and then ALL OF A SUDDEN CRASH BANG the climate on the whole planet just up and changes and NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT for another long slow period of Sl-o-o-o-o-w accumulation. And this pattern of long calm accumulation punctuated by total alteration repeats itself dozens of times, hundreds of times. Weird. But of course you don't see it, right? You've got to believe that's the way it happened.
What do you mean we can't see it!?!?!?! What do you think scientists do all day, sit around in air conditioned buildings thinking up crazy ideas? The mechanisms for sedimentation are developed by what we see ACTUALLY HAPPENING TODAY. The crazy unbelievable stuff you are so incredulous about we can actually go outside and watch and do watch.
Show me a practicing geologist who does not have a good tan.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 67 of 174 (326461)
06-26-2006 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Faith
06-26-2006 11:55 AM


Thank you for that commercial, jazz. Nice of you to check in and give your spiel.
No problem. Wherever you want to go repeating the nonsense from other threads where you were refuted I'll be there to remind you.
A thread had been setup in the past especially for you to come chime in on Limestone.
Limestone Layers and the Flood
So until you go support your claim that the flood could produce limestone we can consider the point, how would you say, "wild speculation."

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 76 of 174 (326540)
06-26-2006 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
06-26-2006 3:46 PM


Re: Hydrological evidence of an old earth
No, but conditions after the flood can. The idea is that all the buckling and shifting went on after the layers were settled, but maybe not completely dry. A N-S cross section of the greater Grand Canyon area (from the Grand Staircase to below the Grand Canyon) shows that the layers maintained parallel formation even when following steep slopes, which couldn't happen if the sediments were hardened {edit: before the slope formed}, or had been laid down increment by increment over a period of millions of years {edit: after the slope had formed}.
Oh. You mean magic.
Because without magic everything you said pretty much is impossible. It is nothing more than a totally uninformed fantasy scenario constructed to shoe horn reality into a preconcieved, and IMHO incorrect, interpretation of ancient mythology.
Or maybe you would want to take your scenario into the appropriate thread and defend it? A daunting task I know so I won't hold my breath.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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