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Hi Willowtree! So you're saying that the tradition itself counts as positive evidence.Does this mean that the tradition that the Prophet Muhammed ascended to heaven on a horse is also true, then?If not, can you provide evidence to the contrary?If you can't, then don't worry, this site has all the info you'll ever need about converting to Islam. (If you decide to become a twelver Shia, then you'll find that 11 of the 12 imams following the Prophet were all martyred. Historical tradition says so. The 12th imam is of course in occultation and will return, with Jesus, on the Day of Judgement).PE

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Hi WT!I know what you mean about a priori worldviews So here's the problem, as I see it: I don't believe for a moment that you believe that Muhammed ascended to heaven on a horse. Let me assure you that there are numerous traditions (hadith) that speak of this, and that the practice of finding reliable hadiths was actually turned into a science by early Islamic scholars, such was their concern about ensuring accuracy in what was reported.To date, I have never seen a single source refuting this claim.Now, there's no way that you'd believe that Muhammed went to heaven, which is why I deliberately chose that example, but it seems to fit your criteria that it is a claim that has never been refuted, and is therefore probably true.So what, for you, makes the case for the apostles' martyrdoms any different?If its the fact that there actually is some other proof, outside of the claim itself, then you should share it, so that it can be properly evaluated. You allude to Biblical truth, but then you say its not really the point, which is a shame, because I think there's a possibility you might be believing in the apostle's martyrdom because of your religion, and not because of any historical evidence. I mean, offhand, do you happen to know how much corroborating/supporting evidence there is for the Prophet's ascension, to evaluate the claim?PE

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