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robinrohan Inactive Member |
For those who believe, please, take one second and imagine that what you believe is false. Should this injunction apply just to belief in God, or to other types of belief? Suppose we believe in a certain moral code. Should we "take one second and imagine that what we believe is false"? Suppose one of the doctrines of our code is the idea that racism is evil. Should we take one second and imagine that what we believe is false?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Why do religious beliefs, or faith, get a pass when everything else in life is held to a higher standard? Not "everything else in life" is "held to a higher standard." Moral codes, for example, are not held to a higher standard. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Again, this is what anthropologists and psychologists do. Also historians, biographers, writers etc.. They do? They think to themselves, "Maybe racism is not evil after all. Maybe it's good"?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
No, you're equating empathy with sympathy. I thought you were talking about evidence or the lack thereof.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
My biggest issue is when people take their personal belief as objective truth Non-believers do that with secular morals too--or at least they appear to. They are sometimes mighty passionate. ABE: In fact, I would say that moralism is a secular religion. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
After all the threads where almost Everyone was telling you that morals are subjective you can make a claim like that? Amazing. I know that's what they say, but they don't act that way. They are constantly getting on their moral highhorse.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Nevertheless secular and especially leftist moralism is pronounced as if it were dogma from on high. You have your dogma and they have theirs. I just wish they would admit it.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Is there anything that could convince you that you are wrong in your faith? Is there anything that could convince you that you are wrong in YOUR faith--I mean your moral faith, whatever it is. I'm sure there's plenty of it.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Not Faith. Trust. Statistically, if I go to the doctor regularly, chances are that I will catch problems, should they arise, early and be able to have them taken care of in a way that will not hinder my life and will preserve my health and longevity. I don't like going to the doctor at all. But I like being healthy, feeling great every day, and I want to keep doing so for as long as possible. I also have family. I know they want me to live a long and healthy life, so I also go because of them. That is not quite the point. quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, I've always been irresponsible. No point in changing now! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why not? I don't feel like it. But here's the main point. Your idea contains an implied moral--"Thou shalt be responsible"--and I'm sure you realize that all moral rules are subjective. So let's examine the truth-value of your opinion. Being subjective, it has two possibilities as regards truth-value. 1. Your implication that one should be responsible in the sense of maintaining one's health means that you really think one should be responsible or you don't. Let's say you really think that. 2. Your implication that one should be responsible in the sense of maintaining one's health is either true or false generally, apart from whether you really think it or not. What evidence do you have for this moral dictum? You have none, since subjective evidence doesn't count. So here we get to my point that faith is a virtue. You gotta believe!
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
One should be responsible with taking care of one's health because the (statiscically-based) consequences of doing otherwise will likely affect others in a detrimental way, and these negative consequences are preventable. Why should I care?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
But then I'd have to suspect that you are deeply, dangerously, clinically depressed. Can't you recognize your MORALISM in all this?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
It's a morality based upon how one's actions affect others.
Yes, and if I say, why should I care, your only answer is that I am insane? Don't you see that you are begging the question? You have to prove that "Thou shalt be responsible" is a correct moral dictum. It's impossible to do so. It's a matter of FAITH.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
It is correct only in that it enables people to live together in societies. Why should I care if people "live together in societies" or not? Why shouldn't I just care about me? All you can reply is, in so many words, "You ought to care." A moral dictum. Based on Faith in the unprovable correctness of that dictum.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Because your own life is highly dependent on society. well, nwr, if everyone else goes on caring, I don't have to. I can live off the fat of their caring. Why shouldn't I do this?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
My answer in a nutshell has been that not all faith is a virtue, but faith in the true God may be, especially if it costs.
Yes, one way to think of it would be to say that whether faith is a virtue or not depends on what you have faith in. If one has faith in the validity of the code of some vicious regime, I suppose that would not be so good.
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