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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Well, it is, but I tend to focus more on the NT as people seem to have a hard time understanding the OT.
Plus I am not an expert on the OT, so I do not wish to debate it.But so far, I have read nothing in the OT to make me not believe in God. People in this forum are famous for taking things out of context from the OT and using that as a reason to not believe in God. It is not neccesary to know the OT to know God either. It will help you understand things better as you go.
You can't qualify an absolute.
lol, OMG I was wrong, lol
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi RR.
How can you square this staement from you in message 23
Not to mention that the bible is 100% correct (especially the new testament). With this statement:
Plus I am not an expert on the OT If you are not an expert on the OT then how do you know that all of its claims are '100%' correct? Surely you have to adjust your claim to 'I believe that the Bible is 100% correct'.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2937 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
what makes up your "mind"? Chemical reactions. That's why I eat.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2937 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
[q]People in this forum are famous for taking things out of context from the OT and using that as a reason to not believe in God. It is not neccesary to know the OT to know God either. It will help you understand things better as you go.[/qs]
Is the OT the word of god? If it is it seems neccesery to follow it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What programs those chemical reactions?
What makes up your spirit?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
This is precisely what I am talking about. You took it out of context on your first reference to it.
You do not need to follow the OT.Jesus came to fulfill the law.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Surely you have to adjust your claim to 'I believe that the Bible is 100% correct'.
Sure, why not.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Of course, 'fullfill' is not replace.
Do you like cheeseburgers? PorK? wearing mixed fabric?? No?? Not following the law.. off to heck with you.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6901 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
quote: My avatar has something to do with my affinity for trivia? Gowon!
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tsig Member (Idle past 2937 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
What programs those chemical reactions? What makes up your spirit Nothing has to program chemical reactions, they just happen. Never found a spirit. Looked hard.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Another perfect example of someone taking the whole thing (the bible) out of context.
If you read the OT, and understand what the word fulfill means(by knowing the prophecies), you would understand that it is no longer neccesary to eat that stuff. Its not what goes in your stomach, but what comes out of your heart.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Isaiah 40:31
but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Do fully understand what the term "born again" means?
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6901 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
Some are better off reading 'Mein Kampf' in Swahili.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Hey, Albert, I agree!
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5936 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
riVeRrat
they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. So if we find an example of a born again Chrstian who gets tired this would mean what exactly?
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apostolos Inactive Member |
Sidelined, Brian, and many others here, it is good to see you are still here. I have been gone for about a year, but decided to breeze through once more. I noted your post and thougt I might be able to clarify things a bit. Let me say that I am not exactly sure how your post correlates with the orignally posted questions, but perhaps the information I provide can serve to direct things back to the original topic.
Let me begin by quoting the context of the verse. I must say that the context is really larger than what I am quoting, but these verses will serve, for now, as an immediate context. "Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that theeverlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding. He giveth power to the faint; and to them that haveno might he increaseth strength. Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and theyoung men shall utterly fall: But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew theirstrength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint." Isaiah 40:28-31 In dealing with what you said there was some measure of accuracy. You mentioned an individual getting tired. This misses the mark a bit due to being an oversimplification but I think it can stand for now. Also, you mentioned born again Christians. I would like to point out that there were no born again Christians, as we define those words, at the time these verses were written down. However, there were a great multitude of people who believed in the same God that is worshipped by a "born again Christian" who is following the biblical pattern. I must say at this point that the preceeding statement goes beyond a mere definition of God and acceptance of the Bible to a thorough understanding of the principles for human life that God has put forth. Getting back to it... In the immediate context, the verses are pointing the reader to God as a source of strength instead of their finding strength within themselves. Verse 30 refers to "youths" and "young men" because in a community, these are individuals who are expected to have strength and not be weakened or tired above others. Yet, the Bible says even these will fail. Then the contrast is made in verse 31 where the Bible says that those who are in dependence upon the LORD will not suffer this failure. Does this mean that believers in the LORD will never be tired? No. The larger context makes it clear that those who are in dependence upon the LORD will be provided the strength and/or energy to accomplish that which is required as they individually place themselves in a resting position in God's plan, like a leaf being carried by a stream current. Please understand that I do not mean that a believer is to be inactive. Rather I am saying it is the strength of the LORD that makes the activity productive according to the plan that the LORD has established for that individual. Psalm 1 serves as an excellent support to this truth. As far as relevance to what Flying Hawk asked, I think it is clear that I have a definition of God (though I would disagree and say that I merely aggree with the Bible's definition). Also, it is clear that there are moral implications derived from that definition, as the verses in question serve to illustrate. I do hope this has been some help. I will be glad to make another attempt if I have stated anything unclearly or created more questions than I answered. Again, I have missed interacting with many of you and hope to find time to come through more often. Russ edited for grammatical correction This message has been edited by apostolos, 02-04-2005 16:27 AM
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