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Topic: WHAT GOD THINKS OF FUNDEMENTALISM
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Hangdawg13
Member (Idle past 781 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: 05-30-2004
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Message 46 of 137 (114907)
06-13-2004 8:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 42 by jar
06-13-2004 6:53 PM
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You see, I don't believe that GOD condemns anyone over something so silly as books in the Bible. If we have believed in Christ as Lord and savior then we are not condemned. End of story. How do I know? God promised us this and he doesn't break his promises. If we have never had the opportunity to make this decision... I'm not so sure what happens, but I would tend to think we are not condemned. You are right. God is not petty. Perhaps thats another reason we are not to get into petty arguments like this. He simply wants us to love and obey him and not argue with each other about him.
You see, the words of Jesus were always inclusive. He did not ask the Centurion what his belief system was. He simply acted. He acted because the centurion believed Jesus could heal him, not because the centurion believed Apollos could heal him. I think its clear what the centurion's belief system was from that point on: Christ is Lord. Aside from morality (Laws of Divine Establishment) I think theology is the main focus of Christianity. We always want to know God more. The more we know him the more we can love him.
IMHO, you place far too much emphasis, as did the elders of the Temple, on the show of piety. GOD on the otherhand, will look at the actions of the people. If they tried their best, even if they denied the very existence of GOD, it really won't matter. Whoa... IMHO this is blasphemy.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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If you want to know GOD better, but the Bible aside and talk to him. Invite him over for beer and pretzels. He's a party kinda guy and would enjoy that.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
Inactive Member
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I didn't refuse to answer as you know. I refused to grant a concession. Why don't you refute from the OP how the concession that you gave yourself shoots down my airplane. This quote of yours that I cut and pasted is a bare dogmatic opinion - an indigenous trait of fundementalism. WT, be honest. You ARE refusing to answer my question. Are you admitting that answering my question correctly would nessitate a concession on your part? If not, why then don't you answer my question? I'll restate my question to make it simple. True or False? The word fundamentalist is derived from the word fundamental.
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Buzsaw
Inactive Member
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Message 49 of 137 (114943)
06-14-2004 12:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by jar
06-14-2004 12:02 AM
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If you want to know GOD better, but the Bible aside and talk to him. Invite him over for beer and pretzels. He's a party kinda guy and would enjoy that. No Jar. That's not the way it works with the supreme god, Jehovah. You pick up his book, the Bible and let him talk to you, instruct you and direct you. Then you begin to, I say begin to become wise and knowledgeable about things like origins, how to function well in the here and now and what will be in the future. 
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Hangdawg13
Member (Idle past 781 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: 05-30-2004
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Message 50 of 137 (114947)
06-14-2004 12:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by jar
06-14-2004 12:02 AM
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but the Bible aside Jar, I'm starting to wonder about you... more specifically who it is you're talking to. You are now the third person I know who has told me they "talk to God" and God talks back, and your views are completely opposite theirs. Who should I trust? Sorry, I think I will stick to my Bible. This message has been edited by Hangdawg13, 06-13-2004 11:34 PM
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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quote:
jar, I'm starting to wonder about you... more specifically who it is you're talking to. You are now the third person I know who has told me they "talk to God" and God talks back, and your views are completely opposite theirs. Who should I trust? Sorry, I think I will stick to my Bible.
Hey, you believe some guy who says he talks to demons, why can't jar talk to God?
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 52 of 137 (115006)
06-14-2004 7:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 49 by Buzsaw
06-14-2004 12:17 AM
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me an' god used to party all the time, but we're not on speaking terms anymore because my girlfriend was cheating on me with him.
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3488 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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If we have believed in Christ as Lord and savior then we are not condemned. End of story. How do I know? God promised us this and he doesn't break his promises.
Where does God make this promise in the Bible?
A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Cold Foreign Object 
Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 54 of 137 (115095)
06-14-2004 2:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Buzsaw
06-14-2004 12:10 AM
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Hi Buzsaw: First, I want to acknowledge your status on this board as one of the top five creos. I respect and admire your knowledge. The EvC Forum is seeing the best debate on-going in the Exodus topics as you and Brian slug it out. As to your question:
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True or False? The word fundamentalist is derived from the word fundamental.
I honestly do not know. I suppose I could find out but I haven't. If you say that it is derived from "fundamental" then this would be obvious and basically invulnerable. For the sake of argument I will accept your question/point to be rhetorical. I believe I know what you are trying to establish/do. Be careful, because word meanings are three-fold: Actual, reportive, and emotive. sincerely, WT
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Trixie
Member (Idle past 3736 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: 01-03-2004
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Re: Attention: Atheo and Evos
Sorry I haven't got back. got rushed into hospital on friday with post-op complications and only out tonight to see how i get on. Not feeling too good, so don't want to get into any active topics just yet, also brain not functioning cos of the stronger painkillers. I'll still be looking in, but not saying much for a wee while until i can stay upright for a decent length of time.
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AdminAsgara
Administrator (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: 10-11-2003
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Message 56 of 137 (115140)
06-14-2004 4:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Trixie
06-14-2004 4:48 PM
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Re: Attention: Atheo and Evos
Sorry to hear of your complications Trixie. Our thoughts are with you for a speedy recovery.
AdminAsgara
Queen of the Universe
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One_Charred_Wing
Member (Idle past 6186 days) Posts: 690 From: USA West Coast Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 57 of 137 (115146)
06-14-2004 5:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Trixie
06-14-2004 4:48 PM
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Re: Attention: Atheo and Evos
Whoa. You stay well, Trix. I'll do some prayin' tonight.
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wmscott
Member (Idle past 6278 days) Posts: 580 From: Sussex, WI USA Joined: 12-19-2001
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Naughty Willowtree!
It seems that you have committed a whole host of errors, first off, Jehovah's Witnesses are not fundamentalists. I explained the Law of the Christ or the New Covenant to you at http:// EvC Forum: What is a True Christian? --> EvC Forum: What is a True Christian? message 135 and I am still waiting for your reply, could you please use the response button so I can more easily find your answer. Not answering and running off in another thread and claiming victory is very naughty of you. Wm Scott Anderson
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 59 of 137 (115192)
06-14-2004 9:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 58 by wmscott
06-14-2004 6:52 PM
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Hi WmScott: You are a fundementalist and the OP clearly says why. You need to REFUTE from the OP or lick your wounds elsewhere. There is one and only one definition of what a true christian is: GALATIANS 2:20: I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. No if's and's or but's attached - this is what makes a christian a christian. What makes Jehovahs Witnessess fundemenatlists is the fact that you plainly declare a list of "denominational" code of conduct that in essence says the conformity to these things proves you are a christian. The truth is we are supposed to live our convictions but preach Christ - period. The established church world of today, the Fundemantalists, of which Jehovah's Witnessess are a part, clearly send the message that their pet view of Moses law (whatever that is) proves a true christian. The essence of true christianity is the indwelt placement of the Spirit which comes by faith, continues to remain by faith, and will take you home IF you finish by faith - that is the gospel - the good news from God which is a righteousness that has nothing to do with Moses law. (Romans 3:21,22)
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 60 of 137 (115195)
06-14-2004 9:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Trixie
06-14-2004 4:48 PM
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Re: Attention: Atheo and Evos
Your post sounds groggy but thank you for telling us about your ordeal. I wondered what happened to you because you never disappear from a debate. Hurry back ! best regards, WT
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