Religion in Government

Right, thats what I said in other words.
The constitution was written when the word meant something different.
Websters does not write the constitution.

Was just pointing out that they need the constitutional right so that they can get that benifit, not that a pension would come out of my pocket.Medical benifits can come from the governement. You should have said, thats the way its supposed to go, but thats not the fault of gay people.
Remember spouse can recieve death benifits. I agree with that.When anyone can add someone to their medical policy, it comes from our pockets, because the insurance companys will have to adjust their rates, due to more people to insure. I am not against this, just pointing out that it will cost us more money, and in a round about way we are supporting it.

Holy crap dude, you just keep missing my point.
Pretty much I have answered all the things you so eagerly argue with me about. Umm no.If the first time sex was presented to as being gay, and you never had to think about it, or didn't even know what you thought was wrong or right, you would then be able to consider the option. There is your choice.
There are also people who don't even know that they are gay, yet find out later in life, so they choose then too.
We all have a choice, because it is there for the pickin.
The cake is there, and death is there all the time. We are never out of cake.
Just because you consider it, doesn't make you bi-sexual either.Alot more people will be considering it, the more mainstream it becomes. then alot more people will be sinning. My religion encourages me to help stop people sinning. Thats why I have a hard time supporting it. So when it becomes legal, America will be making me go against my religion in a matter of speaking.
But at the same time, I do not want to deny people their right to freedom.This is why I ultimately do not have an answer yet.
Do you understand?How come you never answer my questions? Are you thick headed?
I answered that already.
Not everything is covered by the constitution, or depends on it to satisfy the majority. What happens if the constitution makes me go against my religion?

Ask God.
Or a Judge who has to send his own child to prison.again I tell you that when the constitution was written, the word marriage did not mean gay marriage. It was gay people who decided that it could be considered a marriage.
I do not consider gay people to be married in the same sense as straight people because it IS different. Thats why you keep pointing that out.Thats why there needs to be a separating defining the 2.
I don't think it is as much a equality right as it is a difference of the word marriage by definition. You get respect if you give respect. You need to answer my qestions too. Religion is a choice, but maybe not according to you .
Being gay for some is not a choice either.
It is different. By allowing it run rampaged in our country could possibly cause God to allow our freedom to disappear. There in lies a problem.
You are coward to state what you believe in, and it kind of makes everything you say invalid. Who the hell knows what you are sticking up for. You seem to think we can live in a society free of opinion, but you sure have alot of opinions. I am really starting to wonder about you. I think I am wasting my time talking to you. Like I said before, even Jesus gave up on people.You just contradicted yourself bigtime.
How the heck can know if you like chocolate cake unless you try it.
How can you even compare being gay to liking cake?
There are so many reasons why people are gay, some of them being a choice, some of them being just the way they are born due to inherent sin. Some of them being the way society has made them, because of deep problems created when they were young, which is also directly related to sin.Even if you like cake, and there is some there, you can still not choose to eat it.
Sometimes people even try it, knowing that they won't like it.Its still a choice. That part espcially, you contradict yourself and support what I am saying about choosing not to be gay.
lol Prove that my dog doesn't love me. Just because you don't speak dog, doesn't mean he's not giving consent. In God's eyes we are supposed to save our selves for the person we marry. Therefor we wouldn't know if they were infertle or not.
With gay people it is a given that they cannot produce a baby on their own. Wow you are cabable of humor, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

There is the other half of your contradiction. Which one is it? That is incorrect.
And you could be easily traced.
Your e-mail and mine are registered. Amoung other things like ip's.Its still America inside the forum. What is a Christain God, please explain.
As far as I know there is only one God in the world today.
Acting like a wise guy will not get you into the gates of heaven either.

I kind of agree with tis, but I have to give it more thought.
I think its more complicated than that. Its not other people's sins that I am worried about, its there sins affecting my children, and whether I am supporting their sins. It directly relates me to their sins. I am not throwing stones, or judging. So if I say to world, its ok to be gay, and then turn around and preach to my child its not, what does that make me? I am not judging others. I am not totally convinced that if I support the rights of gay people that "I" am clear in God's eyes.

No, thats not what I said.
And yes, the only reason I go and get a marriage license is for legal issues concerning government, and benifits. If I didn't do that, I could still get married by church or in another country to show my Love for my spouse.Gay people want the license so they can enjoy the benifits, not prove Love to each other, that should already be in place.

How is it wrong? If a gay guy is legally married, he can then add his spouse to the policy, where as before he couldn't. Maybe, maybe not. we don't know how many gays will have children.
But you could be right. but all those statistics would be figured out by the insurance company. I was against what gay people do, before I found God. But I am not against the actual people doing it. I think having gay sex is wrong, there is no hate involved at all. I am also not predjudice towards gay people. I have gay relatives and friends who I treat the same as anyone else.
In other words, its the actual sexual acts they commit that I am against, but do not hold it against them.
This is just my feeling, and I know not everyone feels this way.
I'm not sure if it is a Godly feeling or not, I haven't really dwelled on it enough.From personal experiences of people I know who are/were gay, they too in a way feel as though it is wrong. This is not from me.Is this a reason to deny them a right to get married?
I still don't have an answer to that one.
I can tell you that I do not feel as though a gay marraige and a straight marriage is the same thing.I don't think I am wrong for feeling this way either. I know people who make their living stealing, and they feel it is their right, and probably wish they could get away with it. If everyone felt this way the constitution would reflect it.As far as a social legal contract, I would have to say no. Because how we live our lives reflects who and what we are.I've heard gay people say that straight marraiges are wrong, based on the divorce rate. They have a good point, because people should not be getting married and having children then getting divorced and messing up peoples lives, because they weren't capable of making a desicion like that to begin with.
I don't hold that against gay people either.Its all in how you look at stuff. But its my right to feel as though the act of gay sex is wrong, just like other acts of sex are illegal.Wait theres a point! Does anyone know if sodomy is illegal? lol.

I see God and religion as being 2 different things.
I am not so sure that our founding fathers wanted God out of the country.

Yes I understand, thats why I go on to say you could be right.
But there are other statistics involved.

What about all the silly sex laws?
Like in connecticut you can't kiss your wife on Sunday or something like that, there others that I posted previously.Tell me that straights will have less rights than gays because of the way laws are written.

I answered this already.
I never said, ever, that majority rules over constitution.
There are thing that majority wants, that do not interfer with constitution. I am not whining about it, I stated that too.It really comes down to what I think marriage really is. It's between a man and a woman, not man and man. This was my belief before I became "religious"
Its just not an option for gays to marry, just like its not an option for your car to go into outerspace all by itself. I don't consider it a marriage.You mentioned animal kingdom before, are there any "gay" animals that mate for life? Not that it would make a difference.

Things are not non sequitur because you say so. How could religion be a choice according to your way of thinking.
You are either going to like religion or not. If you don't then you can't make a choice about it.
You contradict yourself, and use terms to satisfy your needs in argument. You are a hypocryte. He most certainly does, whether you belive that by faith or not. Yes, and you have stated that you are an athiest. I guess you forgot. lol Sometimes if you try something enough, you get used to it, then could start to like it. But that wouldn't happen unless you started trying it. Tell me how many of us liked broccoli when we were young. this is what I am talking about, That statement is sexual harrassment. There is no need to describe the sex in order to make your point. You only do that because you want to stir up something in me. It doesn't bother me, but I am pointing out that sexual harrassment has no place in this forum, it only makes your statements seem invalid. If you don't know the answer to that one, then you are the one with an un-education opinion.You know what, how could you even fight for gay people(not gay people, the act of being gay), when you yourself are not gay, and have no idea what it is to be gay. Licking my face is not consent Not when the laws were written. I never said that gay people should be denied the right to marry because they could possibly be incapable of not having children.No matter what gay people cannot produce a baby on their own, thats the difference.

I am registered with the forum using my real name and e-mail. So its ok to allow sexual harrassment in a work office?
A public park?You should re-think that statement. Last time I checked, they were all the same God. Don't let the rest of the world hear you say that, you might find out your wrong. BZZZt you loose.
I never tried to tell you want God wants you to do.
You took it that way for whatever guilty feeling you have about it.

This does not mean that I am worried about it. How does a drug dealer on the corner affect my children then?
Your thinking is wrong. You would wiohtout doubt change up that way of thinking if you had to prove some other point in your favor.Being gay is a choice.
Being black is not.I've had 2 gay people try to molest me when I was younger, and one straight person. So far the gays are in the lead. Yes yes, I completely agree with that. But if what they are doing affect me or my children, then I can legally get involved. Now your starting to get it.
But do I help them sin? Beatiful stuff, really. This is why I won't support it. Please Johnny, tell me when I said they won't go to heaven?
I believe I stated just the opposite. Yes I am, so are you.Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.If I steal something, then I am a thief.Calling people gay, who claim themselves as gay, and saying it is a sin, is not judging. There is that way of thinking again.
Eating liver is not a sin.
With that kind of rational, we should beable to whatever we want in life, regardless of any law or commandment.Congradulations, I think you have made yourself into your own god. Oops !! (puts hand over mouth) You didn't just say choose did you? A sin is a sin, just like a cup of coffee, is a cup of coffee. I did not judge them based on their sins, just pointed out that it was a sin.
I never said you weren't going to heaven, I just asked you what you would tell God at the pearly gates.
But your narrow minded view of christians made you think thats what I said. Caeser was gay?
Christ was talking about money there.Go back in the bible and tell me what he told sexual immoral people.
Go back in the bible and tell what happened to nations that made their own godsDon't use the bible, unless you are going to use the whole thing.