Atheism: an irrational philosophical system

Grace,Considering your post is ridden with outrageous claims, may I suggest you narrow the discussion? I'm particularly interested your Absolute Morality proof of God, since you assert it so often. Maybe you can stop by the topic "Morality and God"http://EvC Forum: Morality and God -->EvC Forum: Morality and Godso you can clarify how God can account for an Absolute Morality better than any moral system based on axioms (e.g. "Never treat another person merely as a means to an end".

I think Grace is talking about irrational concept of "grounding" your morality; that is defending it against the infinite regress of "why's". He thinks that God can somehow ground morality and that atheists cannot do this since they do not believe in God. What I think he misses is that every moral system is based on axioms, such as "Do not treat others as mere means" or "Do unto others and you would have them do unto you", and that his system is no exception. I would say he acts under the axiom, "Whatever the Father does is good" or something to that effect.I don't see how you can defend how one should act (the concept of a moral action) without following with the statement "if you abide by the X principle(s).I may be completely off, so I'm sorry for interjecting if that is the case. I think morality is a sort of controversial atheists and theists alike. We are all on the same boat

Logic is merely a relection of God's timeless nature. Atheism, on the other hand, cannot account for this because they do not believe in God and think we are here by mere chance.

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No, I’m not describing laws of logic as a purely mental standard. As I stated in the previous post, laws of thought stem from God (as defined earlier), who sovereignly imposed uniformity that reflects the same consistency and logical coherence that is in His thinking.

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When you say God's thinking is logically coherent, is this in a purely tautological sense since God is the standard for which logic derives? Or is there some other standard for which God can be called logical? If a God had all the qualities you suppose (universal and invariant), could the laws he "reflects" be different than the ones we use today? Would they be logical or illogical if they imply a contradiction, why or why not?[This message has been edited by JustinCy, 02-11-2004]