Atheism: an irrational philosophical system

I understand exactly what he's trying to say. He explains, in some detail, how Atheism is the belief in basically nothing, while Theism is the belief in something, which correlates much better to what we have today... that which is something. Heck, if there was nothing I might be leaning towards being atheistic myself, but since that's not the way it happens to be... Of course that's not all that's involved. But just one broad point. His point still stands, Theism explains things, our Universe, and our physical, psychological, and moral laws. Atheism may attempt to do this to some extent, but not nearly as satisfactory. Things need to be explained. So either the explanation has been in front of our noses the whole time... or some may suggest everybody will have to wait a billion years for humans to generate their own explanations on everything that meets their standards. Still doesn't mean those will be right. I myself, choose the first.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-26-2004]

When it's all said and done, Atheism explains crap. All Atheism is is the religion of science. Our perception of Science is always changing and we are left correcting ourselves. As a rational person myself, I choose not to put my faith in that. I choose the religion of believing in God, who created science. Yes, in many matters of religion there are things that are left unexplained, but the MAJOR things are easily explained. Atheism can't begin to explain these things. Yes, it may require humbling yourself to admitting that it's just if not more likely that an all powerful God created everything, as it is than an all powerful nothing created everything. Major reasons as to why people decide not to believe in God can be cleared up in the Bible through extensive study and an open mind. If your not up for that, go right ahead and believe in nothing. No, because not all people are rational. LOL, yeah thats gonna get me into some trouble with ya'll, but it was funny nevertheless. The two most intelligent/educated people I know, both believe in God. One know's just about all there is to know about evolution and history. And yet he still believes that God created the Universe. I have conversed with this person through message boards, and he seriously can't be beaten. The other person recieved perfect or just about perfect scores on his SAT's twice, and he believes in God and his purposes. I believe most scientists also believe in God. Maybe the irrational people aren't all that dumb after all.I realize I've said stuff to offend you and others, but choose not to continue this. I recently just ended another debate that went on for 2 days spanning many posts, and I believe we both came to the same conclusions we had to begin with. My point it is, it didn't seem to accomplish much. I'm not gonna make that same mistake this time.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-26-2004]

That says nothing about my debate abilities. All that proves is that people are grounded to their own ideas 99.9 percent of the time, no matter how much debating you do with them. This applies all the more so when it comes to things like beliefs. Come on Einstein, you should know this. Just because your debates don't accomplish much with me, that doesn't mean your bad at debating. Pardon me though, If I say your statement says a little something about your intelligence. If I doubt your intelligence, I doubt to trust you with your beliefs.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-26-2004]

OH, so your arrogant and stupid. Nice combo.

First of all, that's offensive to a degree. Stating this, you were really the one who started it. Not only that, it's straight out wrong. As I stated, all I meant by my statement you responded to, was that 99% of the time, debating with people isn't going to get them to change their ideas. Especially their beliefs. Hence, my statement, "It didn't accomplish much." That's why I felt you made a stupid un-thought out offensive reply. Forgive me for stating my feelings on the matter. And forgive me for not knowing what you, "of course" meant by your statement. Nothing more is implied in that statement other than, 'your debate skills are cruddy.' This is now an arrogant statement, humble people, whether or not they think they can win an argument, don't go shuving that into other peoples faces. So yes, he is, or that was arrogant.Put those two together and you got I wasn't just calling you names for no reason. You were asking for it. And I guess to put that into our guidelines, I should have said. "I felt you made an arrogant statement, and an unintelligent comment. Whether or not this conveys what you really are, that's what I felt." SorryAnd I don't need a lesson in grammar. This is message board grammar, I don't think about every word, or the spelling of every word I write. If you do, the more power to yah. Let's not get nit-picky here.

Well, I wasn't aware I was even suppose to reply. As I stated I didn't want to get into another big debate with people when it's not going to "accomplish much" anyway. I expressed my viewpoints towards Atheism, and you expressed how you felt I was wrong. How do you know we're getting closer. Science only knows as much as man knows. According to me, I know this sounds far fetched, but Science could also be decieved in some matters by outside forces. Are you ready to humble yourself to admit this? Is it impossible that I could not be decieved by outside forces? No, it is not impossible. So why is Science off the hook here? And besides, unless I'm the one who's doing the research, why should I put my trust and faith in other men that what they say is correct? But we know, of course, they could be wrong. People don't trust the Bible because they don't trust other men. People were willing to give up their lives for the fact that they witnessed Jesus' resurrection. And yet people don't trust. And how do we know science didn't come up to a fork in the road, some while back, and only be getting further and further away from the truth? We really don't "know", we merely "think" we know. You have no faith in God. You believe in plenty... You believe God doesn't exist. You believe that our existence serves no real purpose. You believe the Universe came about by itself. You believe any joys experienced in life are natural reactions and mean nothing. You believe that if the whole world ended today, it wouldn't matter. You believe that there's no real hope for the future, or atleast the imminent future. As I stated, you believe in nothing.But your right, I really don't know much about Atheists. I question how you can live, thinking that your life serves no purpose, other than the purpose to keep yourself alive, and maybe help a few people along the way.And now, I may have been jumping the gun with some of these statement. Meaning: just because you dont believe in God, you may believe in something else. Like the forces of nature are one day gonna step in and make everything better. I don't know. But as far as I know, if you don't believe in God, it's basically you, and the Universe.Those are my THOUGHTS, if you really think being an Atheist gives you a happy fulfilling life, than please post your thoughts. If it doesn't, why are you trying to spoil everyone elses?

How about... why we're here, where we're going, where everything came from, why the earth is such a beautiful place when humans don't destroy it, why there is so much evil in the world, why life can either be happy and fulfilling, or miserable and pointless... the list goes on. You think, because we have these things, that somebody might have wanted to tell us. The answer is yes, somebody did tell us. And we can have a happy fulfilling life knowing these things. Some choose to reject, which is up to them.Science attempts to explain the same things by giving technical reasons. For example, the Earth was created when these rock forms came together and formed and everything just worked out nicely. Science gives reasons how things happen, which it's suppose to do and does fine. For the big stuff however, it falls short in the Why department.

I hate it when people pick apart others statements, just to pick apart others statements. I gained nothing from my butchered post, other than that you don't agree with what I'm saying. I could have known that without you replying, or I could have known that if you simply stated, "I am an Atheist, and those things you're saying about Atheists isn't true." That would have done just fine. Instead, you have left me with many questions and nothing to go off of. Heck, I don't even know if you believe God exists or not. Yeah, uh huh...So what's your hope for the future other than science solving things and you dying? Yeah, plenty of nothing. Exactly my point. You can't, and it remains a possibility. Yes. I acknowledge the fact that human possibility, is very limited.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004][This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004]

Yes, that was my point. They are answered by science, but science doesn't explain why these things are.

Well, they might or they might not be. But their potential in doing such a thing would be to hide us from the simple truth of God. Yeah, that would be at (Acts 3:12-15) (Acts 4:10) (Acts 5:30-32) (Acts 10: 38-42) (1 Col 15:3-8)I realize because you are an Atheist, you create a purpose for yourself. If you want to do such a thing, fine be my guest. You're also going to give yourself hopes. Like as someone else stated, getting married, starting a band whatever. I have those hopes as well, but those hopes crumble in comparison to the real hope God gives. So you have to be very aware when I use the word "real," in terms of hopes and purposes. Because for you, you may feel that's the only real thing you have. But for me, it's not. No, not at all. If it wasn't for that, I couldn't say what my purpose was other than to die. But then, why did I live in the first place? Duh Duh DAH!

Wow. I'm just not going to do that. If you want, you can go back and read what i wrote again to see what my point was. That's what's important. Not if plenty and nothing fit together from your perspective.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004]