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Author Topic:   No Gospel without Law, no Mercy without Wrath
joshua221 
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Message 51 of 301 (238124)
08-28-2005 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
08-26-2005 9:51 PM


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joshua221 
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Message 54 of 301 (238150)
08-29-2005 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
08-26-2005 9:51 PM


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Those who call themselves Christians but reject God's judgments are on precarious ground. You can't have Jesus unless you know that all God's judgments are righteousness and justice and that you are condemned justly for your offenses. Jesus came to save us from just that condemnation. What Jesus is it you think you are following if you reject the Jesus who came to save from the very Law that you are so offended by?
This is the root of ignorance that people talk about that exists in the heart of the Christian community. This is where it is, when people read and go with the flow, they don't question, they don't use their brains, they simply think quickly of a SIMPLE justification, that EVERYTHING GOD DOES IS RIGHTEOUS, SO THE SLAUGHTER OF HUMANS IS JUSTIFIED. This is your flaw, this is where you falter. The first statement is as true as I know the word of God to be. The second seems like it just doesn't fit. This is where my search begins, and yours ends in unquestioning BLIND belief. To the contray to what fallacies you have been brought to believe in, God does not want us to behave in this manner, he wants us to question, to not blindly accept, to be on the watch for false ideas. This is where when I read about the killings of the firstborns I have the urge to know about God, his judgement, why God would do this. If that urge doesn't come to you Faith, then maybe you are the one who is dead in Christ, who is luke warm, and not me. -Hypocrisy-
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If all you do, as so many here do, is shake your fist in God's face and call His condemnations unjust, putting your own judgments above His, you just dig yourself deeper into your own condemnation and take yourself farther away from the forgiveness, love and mercy He is holding out to all through the gift of the Messiah Jesus.
This was the whole point of my post, Faith. I said that was happening to me, I became torn from my God, because of my lack of understanding. You seem to think that this was a bad thing, but as I begin to understand God's judgement, I come closer to God. My relationship is stronger now, now that I know him, this is why i strive to gain wisdom of God, I couldn't love something that I didn't understand, but this feeling, this salvation is for me, no matter what you believe.
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You have put yourself in an unresolvable muddle this way I'm afraid. The deaths attributed to God that you refuse to accept were God's righteous judgments based on His righteous Law, and Jesus came to die for offenders against that Law, so that you can't truly know Jesus or say that He is a part of your being if you reject the very righteous Law that condemns us all under the wrath of God.
We are all the offenders, even you have rejected his law. I am in no muddle, I seek God. You read the books, but you refuse to get anything from them, you have missed the point Faith, to condemn me with a splinter in your eye was a flaw in your own logic. Matthew 7 clearly says; "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged." Don't worry about me, I am seeking, and I will find, whereas you have not begun your search.
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Our condemnation under the Law is the reason Jesus died -- to save us from that very condemnation and clothe us in His own righteousness as we are sinners with no righteousness of our own.
God has revealed to me that righteousness, is also a human characteristic, Matthew 5:10; "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Remember that God made us in her image, that we can be of God. That we can be saved. You give humanity such a bad rap, that you have forgotten how much God cares for us, and how we can strive to be Christ-like, not in Bible memorization, but in the way we act everyday to the Father, and to our peers.
This condemnation of mine that you have distorted out of a dream, is simply not true. You can't take away my saviour.

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