Humanity's Stuggle With Death.

*snerk*I don't wanna go so far as to say his balls haven't dropped yet, but I do think his perspective'll change a little once he's got a few more years on him, and has had enough time in life to have something end, and be able to look back on it fondly.Little example for you, Prophex. I spent last night having drinks with an ex-girlfriend. She and I were together for a little under a year; we broke up this past August, and we're both seeing new people now.Seeing her convinced me of two things.1) Oh, it's so over.2) She's a wonderful person, and my time with her was incredibly meaningful.

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"I fail to comprehend your indignation, sir. I've simply made the logical deduction that you are a liar."
-Spock

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I think that one of the most fundamental question that science fails to answer is the question of why. Why do we exist? Why was this universe created? The question stems more than a fear of death, but it is an ultimate realization that everything that we know and do is temporary.

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Sure, science fails to answer such questions because those sorts of questions are not amenable to the scientific method.Since science describes nature rather, faulting science for not finding the Meaning of Life is silly. Science has no opinion on such religious or philosophical matters.

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So, in this view, the question must be asked. What is the purpose of life? Why do we exist if our existence is temporary, and anything we do is a temporary blip on a galactic scale? Is our very existence a cosmic joke?

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Nobody knows.I don't think it is possible to know.

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i don't suppose he's ever had an orgasm. clear evidence that things that end have meaning. or maybe he's hung up on the afterglow.

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i mean. there will always be another football season. other sports will have strikes or disputes that break them up and inhibit their meaning. wars come and go and make no difference. eventually even the genocide in darfur will end, even if only because they run out of people to kill. but there will always be another football season. and football is the most meaningful thing on the planet.

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ROTFLMAO!

Schraff...meet me in chat!Man, you all be pickin on my homie! *grrr*Its one thing to have a "relationship" and have it "end".....its quite another to believe that existance never carries beyond the brief time that we have on earth.Its all a matter of belief, and I say that each day and each moment in the present count as much as each moment in eternity.I often think this way when I look at my beautiful 82 year old Mother (whom I often take for granted) and realize that she won't live forever here. Of course I believe that I will be eternally united with her otherwise, but it brings awareness to my selfish life and a tear to my eye! Today may be the last time that we talk!Life is precious!This message has been edited by Phat, 01-23-2006 12:54 PM

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Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

It's quite another to be incredibly patronizing.Should they come up in the future, I'd appreciate if you don't refer to my relationships with sarcastic quote marks. You don't see me making quips about your "beautiful" mother.

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"I fail to comprehend your indignation, sir. I've simply made the logical deduction that you are a liar."
-Spock

Actually, I apologize, Dan! I was not intending to refer to your specific relationship in this regard. Even tho you are not a "religious" dude, I have always respected your candor (and occasional humor) I can even say that my Mother is technically "beautiful" because she is quite wrinkled these days...you know?

On the argument that life is more precious when is is shorter, when it is finite, and when it ends.Basically I see passed what I see. There is more than what we see physically, and it is vastly more important. I've been trying to understand God, and I have seemingly limited his existance in my mind, according to jar. But we are so special that to compare us to an animal like an elephant is ludacris. Once you realize that your spirit, your soul, your relationship with God is the only thing that matters, then you will know why I cannot equate humans to elephants, and why mankind is seperate from nature. It's rather degrading, and with scientific evolution comes ideas that degrade what humanity really is. We are not part of nature. And our lives are eternal. They don't end when we die. Physical death is simply the beginning. And the only evidence I have for what I believe is what I have experienced in life, that obviously cannot be expressed, and one other thing.The beauty, and the greatness of life. The human spirit.It simply can't end here. How could it?

Nature is beatiful, but there is much more to God than that.Why, what do you believe in regards to God and his creating the organisms of the earth.

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You ask why life would be worth living without eternity? Well, something good is only worth a lot if there isn't too much of it around, so I would venture that, without eternity, life is the most precious thing we can ever hope to enjoy.

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But the bottles are different after you die.This message has been edited by prophex, 01-23-2006 03:42 PM

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My dad, who was a seminary-trained minister and a walking model of Christian behavior in most everything he did, told me once that there's no Biblical basis whatever for thinking we'll "be reunited with our loved ones" in the sweet by-and-by. United with the deity up there, yes, but not other people. If one of you Christians can show me otherwise, go ahead: I might have misunderstood him.

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Yeah I think that these bottles are different, in regards to Biblical scripture.

But we have been analyzing this in terms of that the next will be similar to this life.The Bible paints a different picture for what little it says about Heaven.

Again Charley, what does that have to do with anything being discussed? And your point is? Charley, it doesn't really matter. My beliefs about GOD have nothing to do with life as we see it and live it. They are beliefs, not facts.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Hey Proph! Are you talking bottles like that special vinegar that Schraff was referring to?
As far as being reunited with our loved ones, I DO remember the idea that there is the Bride of Christ, wherein the people become reunited with their head, who is Christ. In that regards, I can imagine that Christ as the source of all love and creation would be such a grand communion that even if I were not technically "kickin it" with my family in Heaven, I would feel as if though they were right there!I agree with you that THIS life is not the end of it all, but the scientists tell us that this is a belief and not a fact.Oh well... Matt 21:22-- If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." ~~Jesus

Though not perfectly so, I tend to be a skeptic by nature. I see no reason to believe in things beyond those that can be observed (directly or indirectly). As Jar has pointed out, this is arrogant. I have no belief in your god. Humans and elephants share many properties. Humans and chimpanzees share even more. We are not that special. Evolution is the best thing we have going to understand how humans fit with respect to other living things. 1) Wrong; 2) no evidence for that; 3) no evidence for that; 4) no evidence for that. I have experienced life as well, and have different ideas. I am not following your logic.Cheers.

isn't it selfish to think that you'll get to spend eternity with your mother? does our desire for eternal life come from our own selfish need to keep everything we like?