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Author Topic:   Salvation by faith and works : intellectually ridiculous?
Mr. Ex Nihilo
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Message 165 of 172 (306043)
04-22-2006 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by iano
04-22-2006 7:56 PM


Re: O torah T
I could be wrong, but I think he might be refering to this passage too:
I Peter 4:18 NIV writes:
If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?
Some people interpet this to mean that Christians can just barely scrape into heaven, as in "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear." Others interpet it to mean that a Christian shouldn't be surprised when they suffer for Christ. Here's a wide range of various interpretations to examine.
One could also check out Proverbs 11:31 for where this original passage came from.
Personally, I think its kind of incoporating both concepts.
Although I do believe that Christians should not be surprised if they are persecuted for believing, I find the reference to the "ungodly" and "sinners" within this specific context to be kind of non-sensical.
If the phrase "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved" is refering to Christians undergoing persecution for Christ's name, then why would the question "what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?" be asked at all, especially since they are apparently not undergoing persecution for Christ's name?
This message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 04-23-2006 12:53 AM

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