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jar
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Message 166 of 355 (117654)
06-22-2004 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Cold Foreign Object
06-22-2004 7:29 PM


Re: Nile Delta Quadrant
Yup. That is wrong too. Amazing how you can find so many sites that are full of missinformation. What is really sad is that they can't even get their own stories straight.
We have already shown that the Great Pyramid is neither at the center OR any border of Egypt.
So far every site you've listed has been full of errors.
Another example is the 144,000 facing stones. I've checked every reputable source I can find and I can find NO WHERE that any real archeologist has published how many facing stones were used. Since they are missing, there is no way to determine the number.
Instead, the pyramidologist sites seem to have pulled the 144,000 number out of their collective asses. There is no support for that or any other number. The stones are missing. We have no idea of how many there were, if there was a one to one relationship with interior stones (unlikely since the Egyptians were smart enough to know about offset) or much of anything other than about the few remaining on some of the upper courses.
Sorry guy, but so far everything that you have presented is classic post-hoc reasoning. It's ariving at a conclusion (the Great Pyramid is not what it seems and was not built by Egyptians) and then making up evidence to prove it.

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NosyNed
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Message 167 of 355 (117658)
06-22-2004 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Cold Foreign Object
06-22-2004 7:25 PM


Re: Meridians?
I gave you my measurements of the meridian. Your source is, with the best numbers presented so far, wrong.
due mainly to subsidence and/or continental drift.
Again, calculations please. It maybe that precession can account for this but drift I'm very sure can not. You source is making this stuff up. There are no calculations or numbers to back this stuff up.

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Message 168 of 355 (117682)
06-22-2004 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by jar
06-22-2004 7:41 PM


Re: Nile Delta Quadrant
The argument of this post is to arbitrarily declare that all my sources are illegitimate.
This is done because your surfing on the subject has you concluding that you cannot win this debate.
How loaded of you to say "no real archaeologist", in other words, every source that doesn't support your view is invalid.
quote:
Amazing how you can find so many sites that are full of missinformation. What is really sad is that they can't even get their own stories straight.
No source of information completely agrees with other sources. This is especially true in science and evolution debates.
You are posturing to crown yourself the winner and bail out.
Again, another post of yours with bare assertions and self validation apart from citing any evidence or sources.
What refutes post 1 or 72 or 106 ?
This is rhetorical.
I will not engage any more of your posts.
If a creationist had created the amount of posts you have that contain bare assertions and subjective criteria for victory they would of been censored by an Admin pages ago.
Now I have given your dishonest and ignorant position a reason to quit and claim victory.
I will not respond any more to you.
Shame on every Admin who has read your last 10 posts and said nothing. This lack of objectivity greatly evidences any accusation that atheist scientific worldview has a truly open mind. It is just a facade parading as such. Romans 1 is furthered evidenced to be true. And if you are an atheist to whom this shoe doesn't fit then so noted.

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Message 169 of 355 (117687)
06-22-2004 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by NosyNed
06-22-2004 7:58 PM


Re: Meridians?
You are a joke.
You don't even know what your alleged "calculations" mean as you cannot explain it.
You are behaving like a dogma-driven religious fundie - declaring yourself the winner.
You have no qualifications or evidence - just a constant denial of what is posted.
Where is your map that refutes Capt's ?
You posted a fish eye map as quality evidence !
I see no further need to respond to you either.
You are brazenly ignorant and you don't care - it is obvious.
I suppose the only face you can salvage for yourself is to Admin intrude.
fish eye map - unbelievable !

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jar
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Message 170 of 355 (117689)
06-22-2004 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Cold Foreign Object
06-22-2004 10:17 PM


Re: Nile Delta Quadrant
WILLOWTREE writes:
What refutes post 1 or 72 or 106 ?
Actually, the OP was refuted at post # 3. The next 165 posts have simply been repeating and rephrasing to try to get you to see that there is no substance in your assertion.
Feel free to ignore me. You seem very good at ignoring all the other facts.

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NosyNed
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Message 171 of 355 (117696)
06-22-2004 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Cold Foreign Object
06-22-2004 10:26 PM


Re: Meridians?
I explained my calculations in some detail. If you have any tool to measure distances (eg a globe) you can check them out.
What part of the calculations do you want a more detailed explanation of?
I am not declaring myself the winner (yet) I am saying I am ahead. I have some numbers and you don't. Until you do you have nothing but somebody's assertion.
Oh, now you're finally getting to the "fish eye map". I choose that by googling for equal area projection. To do judgement of equal areas that is the kind of projection I think you have to use. A mercator sure doesn't do the job. So that is why I choose that one.
What precisely is your objection to using an equal area projection to estimage areas?? What method would you suggest?
You've been given as much detail as are available right now. You've been asked what you have on the other side. You've been asked for your detailed concerns with the methods used. The ball is in your court.
Deciding not to answer at this point would be strongly suggestive of someone suddenly finding themselves trying to stand on no legs.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 172 of 355 (117747)
06-23-2004 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Cold Foreign Object
06-22-2004 10:26 PM


stripping
I'm still wondering if the exact 5449 sacred inches measurement was from when God built the pyramid, or after humans stripped it of its outer layer.
Seems pretty important to your argument, since your entire Biblical link is the 5449 numerology of Isaiah 19. Off by even an inch, and...
Can you adress the issue?

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NosyNed
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Message 173 of 355 (117885)
06-23-2004 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by NosyNed
06-22-2004 10:46 PM


Re: Meridians?
Bump for WT to supply his calculations.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 174 of 355 (117942)
06-23-2004 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by pink sasquatch
06-23-2004 1:10 AM


Re: stripping
Pink:
The outer layer of limestone casing blocks and their removal does not affect the height of the Pyramid.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 175 of 355 (117948)
06-23-2004 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Cold Foreign Object
06-23-2004 3:16 PM


Re: stripping
WILLOWTREE writes:
The outer layer of limestone casing blocks and their removal does not affect the height of the Pyramid.
Why not? You give an empty assertion, not really much to go on... was that just a statement or do have documentation that the top of the pyramid remains unchanged?
It would seem to me that mass removal of the outer layer of the pyramid could easily effect it's height, even if just an inch or so.
But the bigger point is this:
The entire Biblical link rests on the 5449 inch height - so the height of the pyramid would have to remain unchanged since its creation.
This means no erosion, no settling, no earthquake damage, no human alteration to the top of the pyramid.
Is this your contention?

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jar
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Message 176 of 355 (117949)
06-23-2004 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Cold Foreign Object
06-23-2004 3:16 PM


Re: stripping
So are you basing the height of the Great Pyramid on the original height from ground to peak?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 177 of 355 (117956)
06-23-2004 3:40 PM


Admin Request
Bump (or whatever that is or means) for senile participants to obey Forum guidelines of not posting bare assertions, but to evidence their claims while citing the sources.
My evidence has been posted and the sources.
I request for an Admin to review the last few pages. In these pages you will find 2 clowns ignoring the rules.
Clown 1 has created a fictitious body of evidence that he cannot explain or how it challenges my evidence.
Clown 2 claims victory without ever posting evidence.
My evidence stands as proof of God because no camel riding human being could of produced this structure that still baffles us today.
The interior passage system perfectly symobolizes the message of the Bible as explained in the OP. The starting benchmark date of 2141BC begins the prophetic chronograph.
There couldn't be any more blatant evidence for my claims of Divine architecture.
The two clowns who have infected this discussion know this and it ignites implacable anger within. To cover this fact they have repeatedly violated Forum guidelines AND ignored ALL my points and evidence.
All my evidence has sources cited. Some of my opponents did post scant contrary evidence but they failed to argue how it supercedes mine, instead they demanded victory like a threatened medieval friar.

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Message 178 of 355 (117962)
06-23-2004 3:58 PM


Go to this site and review all the maps - including the Nile-Delta Quadrant.
http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/greatpyramid1.htm
This site belongs to a student of Dr. Scott's - it has it all !
The evidence contained in this site more than adequately evidences that the God of the Bible designed the Pyramid.
This fact is inescapable.
Earlier I posted a site that concluded egyptians still built the Pyramid even though they could not explain how. The site listed many of the wonders but their worldview does not allow a conclusion favoring the Divine DESPITE the evidence.
ALL the evidence combined clearly points to God as the Designer, especially the interior passage system and the way the prophetic chronograph was determined.
No ancient persons could cut 70 ton limestone blocks with optical precision and then cement them vertically within a fiftieth of an inch. Not to mention the hoisting of them into place - all without machines or modern technology - impossible. But if your worldview has no God then there is no problem in solving these insurmountable problems for an ancient human being - just say that he did and ignore the evidence.

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Message 179 of 355 (117963)
06-23-2004 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by jar
06-23-2004 3:28 PM


Re: stripping
From the base (whatever that is) to the summit platform.
That platform was never fitted with a capstone.
It was "rejected by the builders" (sound familiar ?)

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jar
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Message 180 of 355 (117970)
06-23-2004 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Cold Foreign Object
06-23-2004 4:00 PM


Re: stripping
Are you saying that the height of the Great Pyramid as originally built as shown in this reference is the height you are talking about?
In other words and specifically, are you saying that the Great Pyramid is 146+ meters tall?

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