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Author Topic:   Can Creationists Show Evolution Never Happened?
Minnemooseus
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Message 7 of 118 (839)
12-17-2001 10:53 AM


It seems time to once again bring up the two aspects of organic evolution:
1) The fact of evolution - The worldly evidence that, down through time, there has been a change in the life forms populating the earth. This is true, regardless of whether it be from the mechanisms of the theory of evolution, or from a progression of God's creations.
2) The theory of evolution - Mutations, natural selection, etc.
I ask Redstang - Do you accept #1, the fact of evolution?
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 28 of 118 (1027)
12-20-2001 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by John Paul
12-20-2001 10:20 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John Paul:
Gee joz, do I have to keep you current on everything?
Gallup Poll on human evolution
once at the Gallup website you can search for other polls on evolution, that is if you dare...

Pulled from the above linked site:
How informed would you say you are about the theory of evolution? Do you feel that you are very informed about the theory of evolution, somewhat informed, not too informed, or not informed at all?
2001 Feb 19-21
Very informed 34%
Somewhat informed 47
Not too informed 11
Not informed at all 6
No opinion 2
How informed would you say you are about the theory of creationism? Do you feel that you are very informed about the theory of creationism, somewhat informed, not too informed, or not informed at all?
2001 Feb 19-21
Very informed 40 %
Somewhat informed 40
Not too informed 10
Not informed at all 7
No opinion 3
What I wish to focus in on is, that 34% consider themselves to be very informed about the theory of evolution, and another 47% consider themselves to be somewhat informed.
I very much doubt that 34% of the population is very informed about the theory of evolution. I suspect that I am more informed than most people, yet I hesitate to consider myself "very informed".
Moose
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Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Minnemooseus
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Message 29 of 118 (1030)
12-20-2001 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Retro Crono
12-20-2001 10:42 AM


Even if you wish to break it down into short time period observations (micro-evolution) and long time period observations (macro-evolution), it's still all evolution.
Your macro-evolution is the cumulative results of a series of micro-evolutions.
Moose
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Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Minnemooseus
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Message 66 of 118 (1490)
01-03-2002 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by redstang281
12-17-2001 12:14 PM


quote:
minnemooseus (post #8) :It seems time to once again bring up the two aspects of organic evolution:
1) The fact of evolution - The worldly evidence that, down through time, there has been a change in the life forms populating the earth. This is true, regardless of whether it be from the mechanisms of the theory of evolution, or from a progression of God's creations.
2) The theory of evolution - Mutations, natural selection, etc.
I ask Redstang - Do you accept #1, the fact of evolution?
quote:
redstang281 (post#9):
What you consider evidence of evolution, I consider misinterpritations and in some cases even frauds.
quote:
Fred Williams (extracted from post #58, of Topic: Is the Bible the word of God):
This method of interpretation of facts by evolutionists is very common. They hang their hat on a sliver of data, ignoring the wealth of data that contradicts it. A classic example is the fossil record. Here we have 99.99% of the record consisting of intact fossils representing millions of species, yet there is not one sign of evolution whatsoever. Evolutionists cannot come up with a single example of a transitional leading up to the complex invertebrates, nor can they come up with a single link between what would have been an enormous jump between invertebrate and vertebrate.
What I was driving at, back in post #8, is that as you progress up the geologic column, from the older rocks to the younger, the fossils found are of distinctly different populations. As the rocks get younger, some animals disappear, and others appear. Progression of time - Progression of life forms present - That's evolution!
Of course, this keeps the "great flood" influences out of the consideration. I would prefer that the flood debate go on at the appropriate string.
Mr. Williams - You are denying the fact of evolution. Would you care to comment further?
Why isn't the progression of life in the geologic column a documentation that evolution has happened?
Moose
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Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe
EDIT NOTE: I INADVERTANTLY DOUBLE-POSTED THE ABOVE AS MESSAGE 67. I HAVE NOW DELETED MESSAGE 67. THAT IS WHY MESSAGE 67 IS MISSING.
Moose
[This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 01-03-2002]

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