Can Creationists Show Evolution Never Happened?

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Originally posted by redstang281:
What you consider evidence of evolution, I consider misinterpritations and in some cases even frauds.

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Ok bud lets talk about Lucy why is that find a fraud...Or if not Lucy name a find to examine.....

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[This message has been edited by joz, 12-17-2001]

And these polls were conducted by whom? On what population? The results are veiwable where? Without supplying this information we have only your word to go on....

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Originally posted by John Paul:
Nope. ID says nada about God.

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Um bud is there any other solution to the identity of this IDer than God? If so what? If not then ID does contain a very strong subtext of we dont understand it so Goddidit......

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Originally posted by John Paul:
Also maybe you infer a very strong subtext of 'Goddidit' but is not implied. The IDer could be aliens from a distant galaxy, could be the pink unicorns on Uranus (yours not mine, I have Klingons ) or could be any entity with the intelligence to Create life. Of course that does not stop people from inferring God was the IDer. People can infer what they want until evidence comes about that contradicts that.

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Er bud unless you accept that all of these aliens, Unicorns and other assorted frolicsome beasties are not irreducibly complex you are back to square one with a hey nonny nonny and GODDIDIT all over the place.Since IDers claim even the simplest organisms are IC then we can safely assume that they are postulating some sort of supernatural entity as the IDer, ergo they postulate Goddidit....

Well I thought it was intelligent design that rules out any non sentient cause...So what's left aliens which are NOT irreducibly complex, hence capable of evolving from scratch, or the supernatural aka GODDIDIT....One of the key words is intelligent, either naturally occuring organism(s) or supernatural, tell me can intelligence come from anything else? Otherwise they are the only possible solutions to the question what is the designer.....What other possible solutions can you think of?

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Originally posted by John Paul:
joz:
Since IDers claim even the simplest organisms are IC then we can safely assume that they are postulating some sort of supernatural entity as the IDer, ergo they postulate Goddidit....

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John Paul:
Good thing you don't get to tell IDists what they postulate. If you really think this way perhaps it is time you dive in and learn about ID.

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Sorry Pal I thought one of Behe`s arguments was to do with protein structure and how if some parts are missing the protein ceases to function... How does this not apply to anything which has a biochemistry which uses proteins?On another note the ultimate IDer must be of supernatural origin otherwise ToE is still the best hypothesis of how a naturaly occuring intelligence came to be. Isn`t it? How else could it have happened?On another note you are posting somehow in a way that interferes with the reply/quote option have a look to see if you can`t sort it out will you........

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Originally posted by John Paul:

joz:
Since IDers claim even the simplest organisms are IC then we can safely assume that they are postulating some sort of supernatural entity as the IDer, ergo they postulate Goddidit....

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John Paul:
Good thing you don't get to tell IDists what they postulate. If you really think this way perhaps it is time you dive in and learn about ID.

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joz:
Sorry Pal I thought one of Behes arguments was to do with protein structure and how if some parts are missing the protein ceases to function... How does this not apply to anything which has a biochemistry which uses proteins?

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John Paul:
And what does that have to do with what you said and I replied to? (see the reply quote you used)

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ID does not postulate God. Period.

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I would of thought that it had everything to do with it If the IDer could not have been biological as proteins are IC then it leaves nothing but Goddidit (or some sort of sentient machine, and given the fact that Behe considers a five part mousetrap IC I cant see that as a possible solution)....ID may not postulate God anywhere in any of its literature but it DOES infer that the IDer is of a supernatural origin.... Semantically equivalent to Goddidit....

Ok bud is there any other solution to the nature of the designer than "supernatural entity" that is not in turn IC?If there isnt then how is this not a strong inference of goddidit?