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Absolute Morality...again.

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ringo
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07-19-2006 12:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 8 by New Cat's Eye
07-19-2006 11:19 AM

Re: Moral Absolutism
Catholic Scientist writes:
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I'd have to say that an absolute morality is possible if it is god given.
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It doesn't matter where an "absolute morality" comes from.
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If an "absolute morality" is given to us humans, it ceases to be absolute, because the communication medium is imperfect. Every human receives a different version of the "absolute" and it becomes relative.
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"Absolute morality" may be an academic possibility but it has no basis in reality.
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07-19-2006 1:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 29 by New Cat's Eye
07-19-2006 1:01 PM

Re: Moral Absolutism
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If god makes it so that X is absolutely immoral, when is it not?
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How can we know if it is or is not?
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Since our communication with God is admittedly imperfect, how can we know that anything we think we hear from Him is "absolute"? Speaking of "absolute morality" makes no more sense than speaking of "yellow morality" or "large morality".
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Are you skipping lines in the posts again?
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Quite possibly. Short attention span, you know.
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"It has no basis in reality" is not the same as "Its just not applicable to real life". I'm saying, "There's no such thing as a pink unicorn." You're saying, "It's impossible to ride a pink unicorn."
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07-19-2006 2:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 36 by New Cat's Eye
07-19-2006 1:59 PM

Re: Moral Absolutism
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... down here in the real world, we can't claim any of our moralities to be absolute but that doesn't negate the one that god set up or make it impossible.
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As far as I can tell, the OP is only talking about the real world. It asks for:
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... some sort of working definition of what Absolute Morality is. As well as possibly an example of it such ....
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To summarize: a working definition and an example.
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If your only argument is that there might possibly be some hypothetical version of "absolute morality" somewhere on the third moon of Saturn, you're probably off-topic.
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We seem to agree that there is no "absolute morality" on earth.
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07-19-2006 5:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 44 by New Cat's Eye
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Re: Moral Absolutism
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Sin is that which seperates you from god and its immoral.
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"Sin" is that which separates us from each other.
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God is against sin because of its effect on us, not on Him. His so-called "absolute morality" is only relevant (and relative) to our relationships with each other.
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An example is not possible because we will always be able to think of a scenario where the morality is ambiguous, and not absolute.
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If no example is possible, there is no absolute morality.
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07-19-2006 5:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 74 by New Cat's Eye
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Re: Moral Absolutism
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God could have morality absolutely defined and we just aren't able to exemplify it.
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God could be surrounded by pink unicorns, too, but if we can't know anything about them, it seems like a waste of time to discuss them.
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07-30-2006 2:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 275 by Hyroglyphx
07-30-2006 11:21 AM

Nature vs Nurture
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
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If morals are purely relative then no one should have any "sense" of right and wrong....
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Are you suggesting that humans are born with that "sense"?
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In my experience, newborns don't exhibit an innate sense of right and wrong. It's instilled in them socially - so it pretty clearly is not "absolute".
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