Absolute Morality...again.

Which god?

So if it was shown that Allah made us would you shift your perception of morality to one that befits Islam?Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

Any answer to post 62, Faith?

Of course what? Cat got your tongue?Again, if Allah was the source of absolute morality would you shift your moral codes in favour of Islam?

I often find that advocates of "absolute" morality seem to operate under the assumption that it falls in line with their own beliefs.Question: If it was shown that absolute morality DID exist, but in a form that you did not agree with, would you shift your beliefs accordingly, or would you maintain an "immoral" outlook?Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

I do try...!

Very romantic, but until the day when you can show us this "truth" your assertions regarding absolute morality will remain absolutely unfounded.

So you would happily ditch your current views on morality if it were shown that they were absolutely "immoral"?

Hardly. History clearly demonstrates that morality has been observed as a relative concept. No matter how much you attempt to rationalize your position, we have no evidence for any form of absolute morality.

That's just childish, Faith. You know full well that not all Muslims are extremists. Point being that advocates of absolute morality often assume that the form it takes will be in line with their own beliefs. You seem to understand my argument.

Yes, you see my point. I asked the question and you answered. That was it!

Wrong. I think you'll agree that this argument does not follow.My point was if there IS an absolute morality in existence somewhere, its advocates might want to consider the possbility that it may take form that they dislike. Exactly.But I would argue that since no-one has as yet demonstrated that absolute morality does exist, the concept is rendered irrelevent.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

Not blind I assure you, but it WAS an assumption I wanted to have an answer to. You argue that I am wrong. Fair enough.However, I would now like some clarification. You consistently rail againt "moral relativism" and preach the ultimate authority of Biblical scripture. On the other hand you seem to accept that there are different types of morality.Do you believe some form of absolute morality?Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

But aware as you are of human fallibility do you also accept the possibility that you are totally misguided as to the nature of absolute morality if it does exist?Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems after all that you ARE working under a faith-based assumption that absolute morality conforms to your worldview.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

We can continue this discussion without getting bogged down with the subject of postmodernism. I asked you a very simple question. Religion isn't science, Faith - there's no way for you "objectively" find faith. It is, after all, faith! If you, for example, had been born in Pakistan you would most likely have found Islam instead of Christianity - hardly an "objective" process.I can claim that you are working on an assumption because neither you, or anyone else has any evidence for the existence of absolute morality. Indeed, even if such a thing exists there is no basis to assume that it has any relation to any form of religion/wordlview that we know of.Now I, for my part, would assume (with some justification) that you'd be more than happy to accept the possibility that a Muslim might be mistaken about absolute morality. But since both you and he are both human and, as you have argued, fallible, then might not you also be mistaken? No insults intended. I merely asked you to accept only the possibility that you might be wrong. Do you accept that possibility?