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DBlevins
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Message 29 of 85 (185004)
02-13-2005 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by coffee_addict
01-11-2005 3:56 AM


I think Thor has a valid point hidden in his post. Not at such a low level perhaps, but even deeper than that. The point being that if god had given "breath" to the biblical writers, you would think that he would have made his "supreme" knowledge unequivocal. He doesn't seem to have had much foresight. It should have been so easy for him to put some actual knowledge in the bible. He could have described the structure of DNA in an unambiguous way, described the structure of benzene, made a poem about the structure of atoms, or the nuclear reactions in the sun. He would have known, if he was omnipresent, that people would have understood these things later or would have gotten insights into the universe that would have made it unequivocal that he was in fact who he said he was.
Instead, what was written was in the language of people ignorant of the future and ignorant of the underlying nature of their world. So either god was an ignorant dunce or it was all written by ignorant humans. What makes more sense?
A possible answer that I could see is that God did not want to spoon feed us everything. It was also written for the people of the past. Imagine if the writer of Genesis had write the book and kept having to ask God, "what was that... tec-to-nic... plates... again, God?"
I don't think they would have questioned a god who told them to write what he told them to write. Quick way to get in the belly of a whale, imho. Besides, there wasn't any questioning if the bible was "god-breathed", eh?
IF he gave the speed of light and the exact acceleration due to gravity for the earth I think there'd be a lot more believers and isn't that what he wants?
My point being that he could have put science in there to make a case for his supreme-ness a lot stronger.

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DBlevins
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Message 34 of 85 (186262)
02-17-2005 2:58 PM
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02-13-2005 11:41 PM


Perhaps the bible is as vague as it is because God wanted us to be creative.
Isn't your point that the designers could have told you everything and you would have still found creative ways around. It seems you are giving human ingenuity the short-shrift. People can design things creatively and get around designs by knowing details of the design. Hackers for example. The best hackers know the design of the system they are trying to circumvent, otherwise they may run into more problems. It gives them an advantage. Are you saying that if God were to make his supremeness unequivocal that all us humans would suddenly becomse stupid? he needn't explain every detail or all details, but he could have given some clue.
The only logical/rational conclusion is that it was infalliable/unknowledgable humans who wrote the book.

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DBlevins
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Message 44 of 85 (186387)
02-17-2005 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Brad McFall
02-17-2005 6:36 PM


Re: Crtitique of teleological judgement
ahh but having "unequivocabalness" can make "undecidability" less of a problem. Decidability still exists, but the existence of a God or a God-like entity woould be unequivocal.
As they say...
Go hang a salami; I'm a lasagna hog!

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