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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
LOL, I hope when I am 90 I am lusting over a slightly younger model!
Oh, I mailed Rives about the email, still waiting a response. Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
You do realize in the Genesis account life spans were on average around 400-500 years old? Yes of course I do, the average age preflood is a bit higher than 500 years, but that’s irrelevant. I am also aware that these absurd life spans are all before the flood, after the flood, the ages settle down to something a little more reasonable. Genesis 6:3 has God limiting the life of humans to 120 years. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." You also appear not to have noticed Genesis 17:17: Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? Abraham is shocked to discover that people of his and Sarah’s age are to have children, why would he laugh if this was not unusual? You may also want to ask why Abraham lived to be 175 years of age when God limited humans to 120 years. Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi Buz,
It says God will completely blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven. There is no 'except' to be found. You should know by now that there is not a single Bible prophecy that has been fulfilled. Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi,
If abraham himself realizes the unusual behavior, then why call it absurd? As Amlodhi says, Abraham does not consider the Pharaoh or King Abimelech’s obsession with Sarah to be absurd, he in fact expects them to find her very beautiful. What he finds absurd is the announcement that he and Sarah will conceive a child in their old age. The story about Abraham and Sarah in Egypt, and in Gerar, and Isaac and Rebekah, also in Gerar, are viewed as reworkings of the same campfire myth. Over the last couple of years (although I haven’t looked into this very much) I have heard arguments presented for each one of the three tales having primacy over the other two, but I find all three stories fraught with historical errors. Of course I shouldn’t be surprised at this since the authors were not intent on recording accurate history here. If you are interested in discussing the many historical errors in these texts, for example the presence of the Philistines around 600 years before they entered Palestine, then we can do so on another thread. Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi, pleased to meet you.
I disagree. There are Biblical prophecies which have been fulfilled. For example, the prophecies of Psalms, Isaiah, Daniel, Joel, Genesis, etc, in the New Testament. Well would you like to open a new topic, pick ONE prophecy that you feel has been fulfilled, explain why you believe it has been fulfilled, and we can discuss it. Buz has been trying for a very long time to show us an example of a fulfilled prophecy and he has failed thus far. Perhaps you can succeed where Buz has failed?
questioning His historicity is a little extreme Who is it that questions His historicity?
He is recorded in extra-Biblical literature, including Tacitus and Josephus. No He isnt. We know the Josephus account was forged, and Tacitus NEVER mentions Jesus.
This Man was born, lived, and was crucified by the Romans, I think we are all familiar with Christian mythology. These statements are all taken on faith, because there is no proof that any of them are true.
and by all logical standards in the Book He was written about in, I dont think that 'Bible' and 'logic'necessarily belong in the same sentence.
left that tomb after a really rough weekend and managed to save the world while He was at it. I actually think that Jesus acheived absolutely nothing, in fact, he was arguably the poorest example of a messiah that I have ever heard of. If Jesus jas saved the whole world he has done a pretty shabby job of it. Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi, welcome to the forum.
What makes you think I am wasting my time? Could it be that some of the replies are educational? Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hiya,
Yes, this is a discussion website but members can begin threads in this fashion if they want to, for example, gather information about what other members believe. Not every thread on this site is actually a discussion/debate, some are for gathering information. Another example would be the thread where I asked for a quick example that I could give to students of something that would falsify evolution, I was just looking for some help. This thread was to gain an idea of what other members think is the most absurd thing in the Bible. Others are welcome to ask members what they think are the best examples of truth in the Bible if they want to. So essentially the topic was not really a discussion, it was a question that I wanted to ask my friends here at EvC. If a member did not have an absurdity then I wouldnt see the point in them posting to this thread, just as I have never posted on about 2/3 of the forums here. I am not on any mission, I know what the Bible is and the perverse view that the fundamentalist has of the Bible actually makes a wonderful collection of ancient texts into a laughing stock. What inspires me to speak out in this forum is to illustrate to the misguided souls who think that the Bible is 100% accurate on everything, that they need to get off their butts and actually study it before coming to this conclusion. These absurdities, such as the Abimelech-Abraham-Sarah story, should motivate these people to question the accuracy of the text, since this story is clearly untrue we should be asking ourselves what is really going on here. My ultimate aim, not just in this thread , is to get people to question the way in which they read the Bible. The countless errors in the Bible should be a clue to us that we need to perhaps rethink the way in which we view these texts. Also, I do frequent a high quality academic discussion board that focusses on the Hebrew Bible and Near Eastern Archaeology. However, I really like this site and have made a lot of friends here, so I cannot imagine a time when I wouldn't like to come here. Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi,
I would be thrilled to start a new discussion about the Abraham/Sarah Isaac/Rebekah using the old wife/sister sting, however, I am going into hospital on Tuesday 30th, and I do not expect to be posting here for around two weeks after that date. As I am certain that this topic would attract a lot of interest, and require some detailed input by me, I feel it would be better to wait until I am fit enough to carry on a continuous discussion. Perhaps some others would discuss this with you, I am sure Amlodhi and Consequent Atheist could indulge you if you wanted to get on with this sooner rather than later. But I think for me to post a detailed outline of the problems, and then disappear for two weeks would not be a good start. The texts in question are: Genesis 12:10-20Genesis 20:1-18 Genesis 26:1-16 These are viewed as three different versions of the one tale. Take care. Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi Ned,
Thanks for your good wishes. I am having another knee op, I have had quite a few in the last 5 years. I ruptured my anterior and posterior cruciates in my left knee and have had them reconstructed. I have been having a lot of pain in the joint and the surgeon thinks it may just be some debris from the reconstructions lodged in the cartilage. There was a bit of grinding going on when he examined me and he may just need to clean the joint out. Hopefully I will only be in hospital for a few days and then a week or twos rest and I should be okay, I hope anyway. I should be able to get to the computer for a few minutes near the end of the week to give an update, or I will get my g/f to keep you informed. Thanks also to Riley and CA, I really appreciate your thoughts. Brian. PS, CA, keep an eye on Ken for me
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi Prophex
A few posts ago you wrote a reference of Abe's laughing at this love for Sarah. I think you must have misread my post, the only thing I mentioned Abe laughing a was the revelation that Sarah would become pregnant. I quoted Genesus 17:17 to illustrate this: From post 129 Genesis 17:17: Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? Abraham is shocked to discover that people of his and Sarah’s age are to have children, why would he laugh if this was not unusual? The Bible says that Abraham laughed at the idea of him and Sarah having a child when he is 100 years old and Sarah is 90, he found that absurd. What he didn't find absurd was that Abimelech, who could have had any woman in the kingdom, would be lovestruck with this 90 year old hot chick.
Brian.
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