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Author Topic:   Bible inerrancy is well supported
oni_koneko_damien
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Message 17 of 61 (78517)
01-14-2004 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by kendemyer
01-14-2004 7:38 PM


Re: re: Bible inerrancy
Oh my, this is almost too much. Where to even begin with this? Well, I guess I could start off by introducing myself. Though I am new here, I do have a lot of history in religious debate. Why I am here in particular, well, you can thank Ken for that.
To start off, let me give a little of Ken's backround. Ken is a frequent poster in the Yahoo chat room 'Atheist vs. Christian debate'. Unfortunately, his debating skill left an awful lot to be desired. He has a bad habit of posting links in favor of arguments, engaging in multiple ad-hominum attacks, and constantly expecting others to do his evidence searching for him. He's become a minor celebrity for his claims that evidence to back up his assertions can be found at Google .
Due to his rather unscrupulous method of debate, many of the regular posters (including me) have taken to ignoring him as soon as he appears. It was at this time his most dishonest tactic appeared. He'd often create new Yahoo aliases and come in under them to avoid people's ignore function. Fortunately, his style of debate was so unique that his disguise was quickly discovered every time.
I post all this because it seems his tactics haven't changed much in here, and because it is the main reason I have come here. Recently, Ken returned to Yahoo chat, and posted a link to his posts here, claiming that they represented evidence for a historical exodus of Hebrews from ancient Egypt.
Seeing as how not only does his posts here have little to nothing to do with the aformentioned exodus, and present no direct evidence for anything of the sort, and seeing as how he has continued his less than honest debating tactics here; I felt compelled to come and address the issue.
Some transcripts/chat logs highlighting Ken's perpetual dishonesty follow:
Cannot find the damned server
Here he appears under the alias george_h_smith2003.
Cannot find the damned server
Here, he appears as the_fatal_arrow.
Cannot find the damned server
Here, one of his more often used aliases, newinchrist.
Cannot find the damned server
Another, under the same alias.
Cannot find the damned server
Another, this one highlighting what may be his most popular unevidenced claim, this time he's posting as columbo35462000.
-Damien

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oni_koneko_damien
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Message 20 of 61 (78531)
01-14-2004 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by kendemyer
01-14-2004 10:30 PM


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I did debate in the atheist versus Christian chat room. I do not much debate in that room anymore but occasionally visit to talk to some Christian friends I made in the room.
Ken, first, I have never once seen you talk to any 'friends' in the room. In fact, for the past several months, all I have seen you do is come in, post a few cut-and-paste messages along the lines of 'evolution refuted at http://www.myfortress.org', then repeat the 'jesus saves' catchphrase, and leave.
Second, you never 'debated' in the room in the first place. A debate involves a give and take exchange of evidences and opinions on all sides. Since you never presented any new material, nor did you ever seem to learn from past mistakes (I let the links in my previous post speak for themselves), you were in no way debating.
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I generally avoid the room now because the professed atheist in that room invariably resort to logical fallacies such as ad hominem (attack the person rather than the argument)
Like I said before, Ken, you have presented no new arguments to back up any of your opinions. There comes a point, usually the sixth or seventh time we've debunked the same cut-and-paste argument from you, where everyone knows you have nothing new to offer. Since you make no effort to change this situation, our mockery of your cheap, trolling habits are entirely justified.
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and genetic fallacy (attack the source rather than the content
Ken, perhaps some do this, I have yet to see any of the regs engage in that though. If the site has nothing to do with what you claim (as with your latest visit), then we'll more than happily mock it. Otherwise, we've gone through and pointed out various errors with the content for each *new* site you have posted.
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(some professed atheist will not accept info from Christian websites no matter what is being discussed).
And unless you can show otherwise, I know of none who regularly chat in AvC.
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Also, I did change my name to avoid the nonsense of ad hominem tactics.
Actually, you change your name, and I paraphrase your own words, to aid your own debate tactics, and for the same reason armed forces personel wear camoflouge. When asked to elaborate on this, you persistantly refuse, and thus we must come to our own conclusions. I, for one, believe that you do it simply to avoid people's ignore function.
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Next, I learned a lesson in my debates in that room and that is "you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink." If someone rejects the Bible move on if they become unreasonable.
So why haven't you 'moved on' yet? You still come to the room, you still post links to the same debunked sites (myfortress.org and tektonics.org spring immediately to mind), and you still engage in the same trolling tactics you accuse others of.
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Lastly, I like the EVC forum much better because it does not attract the yahoos as much as yahoo does (pardon the pun).
A statement I can fully agree with.
-Damien

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oni_koneko_damien
Inactive Member


Message 35 of 61 (78565)
01-15-2004 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by AdminAsgara
01-15-2004 12:00 AM


Asgara, I understand your point. Right now, it seems Ken has immediately gone into site spamming mode, and is easily identified as a troll. I merely wished to warn because when he's on a good day, he can do a much better job of detracting from the conversation and not get caught until much later.
By the way, I love the everquest avatar, I happen to have an on-again off-again level 12 necro on the FV server.
-Damien

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oni_koneko_damien
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Message 54 of 61 (79083)
01-17-2004 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by kendemyer
01-17-2004 3:46 PM


Re: To: Brian
Did I not warn you of what this person was like? I was holding on to the vague hope that he would be honest and up front in this kind of forum, as chat does seem to bring out a darker side in most people.
While reading through his posts, I quickly noticed that he accused me of ad-hominum attacks. I was wondering if anyone else noticed me making such an attack. I know I pointed out certain characteristics of Ken, and noted several of his tactics. But this wasn't in an attempt to undermine his arguments, since he makes no real arguments, there is nothing to undermine. Rather, I simply wished to point out that he does, in fact, have a history of these kind of tactics.
I have noticed that Ken has already claimed he would leave several times, yet has posted again within a week. I very much doubt that this will be the last time he posts here.
-Damien

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