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Phat
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Message 3 of 165 (295858)
03-16-2006 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DeclinetoState
03-16-2006 2:15 AM


Body, Soul, and Spirit
I have not pondered the meaning of the soul recently.
I can tell you what I was taught in Fundie School.
(Where they got it, I don't know.)
We live in a body. The body is our flesh, bones, nerves, and blood.
We have a soul. The soul is life. It is our Mind,(What I am) our Will, (What I seek) and our Emotions (What I feel.)
We are a Spirit. There are basically two flows of spirit.
1) The Holy Spirit
2) All others
And we are ourselves NOT the Holy (or other) spirits...we are in communion with them..
Of course, this is from a monotheist perspective.
This message has been edited by Phat, 03-16-2006 06:48 AM

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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Phat
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Message 15 of 165 (296746)
03-20-2006 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by DeclinetoState
03-18-2006 12:49 PM


Re: Issues, comments and queries
DTS writes:
A couple of questions:
Is there any reason to believe that the first "Spirit" means "Holy Spirit" other than it fits in with one's understanding of the Trinity doctrine? It would have been much clearer if Jesus had said "Holy Spirit" if that was what was specifically meant.
Phat writes:
And I have a counter-question for you. How many "spirits' do you think that there are? If you are a relativist, you may assert that there is a spirit for every soul on the planet.
Why isn't the soul mentioned here?
Phat writes:
The soul seems more connected to the body whereas the spirit seems to be able to transcend our corporeality.
Also consider the following passages:
NIV writes:
Rev 22:16-17-- "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
  • Notice that there is a Spirit and a bride. A Spirit and a Body.
  • Jesus describes Himself as both a root and an offspring. A before and after. He created His Mom before she birthed Him. IMHO, that is!
    There are, IMO, two "bodies".
    1) The Body(Bride) Of Christ...in communion with God as opposed to a pantheistic union.
    2) the other group...which is an undefined number.(relativists would assert that there is no group but only individuals.) I would counter that there is an either/or division.
    NIV writes:
    Luke 12:51-53
    51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
    Now why on earth would Jesus want to split up families???
    I think that He is essentially saying that because of His Oneness, there will be people either flocking towards Him (in communion) or rejecting Him.
    as far as the Bride and the Spirit, I think that they have something to do with this scripture as well:
    NIV writes:
    John 17:20-23
    20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
    It gets DEEP...thats for sure!

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