I'll be moderating this thread. I tried to read back to discover how discussion had gotten to this point, but I didn't find it after a few minutes and I'm not willing to put more time into it right now.
So posts after this one should address the topic, the whole topic, and nothing but the topic. Please leave all digressions and complaints about digressions to me, I'm good at it, I know because everyone complains about it. Thanks!
Oh, by the way, if you post before seeing this, better change it quick!
Let me remind participants that I am still here. Please do not just dismiss evidence, assertions or arguments. Rebuttals should take the form of characterizing the problems (bare assertion? erroneous information? poor logic? something else?). Purpledawn's Message 264 should serve as a positive example for everyone.
Sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for, because you might get it. Moderator assistance was requested and now it's here, and everyone, including the person who made the request, has to live with the consequences.
I'm seeing much more evidence-focused discussion, and that's good. And not everything everyone says has to be focused on the evidence. Everyone should be able to express their personality, give opinions, make editorial comments, etc.
But please keep discussion emotionally neutral and do not make the discussion personal. That means do not instigate, and do not make dismissive or insulting comments, for example, "This is christianist crap and you know it," and "It is futile to debate someone that is so delusional they can not see facts."
This applies to all messages posted after this one. There won't be any warnings, just suspensions (short ones, a day to start). If you posted before seeing this, as before, better fix it quick.