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Author Topic:   The Evolution of Flight.... why are some birds grounded?
DC85
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Message 1 of 84 (57553)
09-24-2003 8:17 PM


I see all the time "most" Creationists saying flight couldn't evolve. For those people I would like to ask a new question. Why do flightless birds have wings? What real use are they? After all they where designed. where they not? Wouldn't arms be more useful to them?
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Message 4 of 84 (57563)
09-24-2003 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by mike the wiz
09-24-2003 8:29 PM


mike its a good question..... and all loudmouth is trying to say(he could have done it a better way) How come you people never think about these things? They are extremely important!!
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Message 6 of 84 (57565)
09-24-2003 8:43 PM
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09-24-2003 8:39 PM


ok I will change it to most. However alot of you guys assume all evolutionists are atheists which I don't like either. I fail to see my sarcasm can you point it out?

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DC85
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Message 9 of 84 (57569)
09-24-2003 8:47 PM
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09-24-2003 8:39 PM


As for the grounded birds, why did they evolve useless wings? The same question can be asked of evolution, can it not?
no this question cannot be reversed the other way.. You need to understand evolution doesn't aim to become something else. where as creation requires purpose
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Message 12 of 84 (57575)
09-24-2003 8:59 PM
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09-24-2003 8:53 PM


thanks for twisting things around to mean something else..... I am pretty sure you knew what I meant and you have nerve to say something like that after you just told us to stop being nasty? I meant like the wings having no use. Not meaning in life. I am going to get married soon.... I am in love that seems like pretty good meaning to me..... how about you?

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Message 23 of 84 (57590)
09-24-2003 9:23 PM


I was really hoping to get Fred Williams involved in this topic. (he was online when I posted it. he might have missed it)Any others beside mike want to respond?

  
DC85
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Message 24 of 84 (57591)
09-24-2003 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by hoju
09-24-2003 9:22 PM


still would it not be better for them to have arms? Yes its true they make use of them however this doesn't explain the main purpose

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Message 26 of 84 (57596)
09-24-2003 9:37 PM
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09-24-2003 9:32 PM


No I don't! the creatures would be much better off with arms. or other type of lims... wings are for flight you can clearly see that. So why would God give them wings?
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Message 28 of 84 (57602)
09-24-2003 9:48 PM
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09-24-2003 9:44 PM


why does an all knowing god call for similarities in design?
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Message 30 of 84 (57604)
09-24-2003 9:57 PM
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09-24-2003 9:51 PM


I changed it to all knowing god. That turns the whole thing around.

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Message 34 of 84 (57610)
09-24-2003 10:06 PM
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09-24-2003 10:00 PM


no it doesn't an all knowing God should know all and could design a larger variety. Which also means he/she/it doesn't have one way of thinking. also why doesn't a Cat look like a bird if what you are saying is the case?
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Message 37 of 84 (57615)
09-24-2003 10:16 PM
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09-24-2003 10:13 PM


ok now answer Rei he has good counters for your "functions". anyway Why did God create apes in the first place? to confuse us? I thought we where made in his images. are they also?
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Message 39 of 84 (57623)
09-24-2003 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by hoju
09-24-2003 10:34 PM


well you don't know what the serengeti is.... , Also they could do more with arms , and the only use I can see you found is they can be used as a "blankie".

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Message 42 of 84 (57630)
09-24-2003 10:54 PM
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09-24-2003 10:48 PM


they don't disprove it.... but don't you care about things like this at all? Don't you wonder? or are you blinded by faith?(that is not to be an insult it is inteaded to get you to think past the bible or what ever you go by for a second) The point of this topic was not to disprove it. It was to get an answer for the question.
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Message 44 of 84 (57635)
09-24-2003 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by hoju
09-24-2003 10:59 PM


once again they assume I am an atheist..... sigh(I am agnostic) anyway unlike you I will change what I believe. I have and I will again. I was a christen and believed the bible to be 100% true at one time..... this just proves you do not have an open mind... we could argue forever, give information and you still wouldn't care. However I do! don't compare me! Also Couldn't a god have just made the big bang happen?(note: I am not saying that happened I am just asking could it have) I don't know how the universe Began.... and it doesn't matter there are piles of evidence to back up evolution..... thats all that matters
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