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Author Topic:   Homosexuality, the natural choice? (Gay Animals are Common)
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Message 11 of 306 (88112)
02-23-2004 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by godsmac
02-22-2004 8:48 PM


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Marriage is an ancient and sacred (in countless religions and cultures) union between a man and a woman for purposes of procreation and child-rearing.
Toy forgot about the other purposes of marriage; to solidify political ties, for financial gain, and male privilage (especially in cultures where men have multiple wives).
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If homosexual couples want to engage in sex or romance or living together, fine. But change the fundamental concept of marriage so they can pretend to live in a normal marital relationship? They can't procreate!
Um, lesbians can easily procreate through artificial insemination, and gay men can find a surrogate mother or adopt.
Do you also think that children are best raised by people who are not married to each other?
Lots of straight couples don't choose to or cannot procreate. Should they not be allowed to marry as well, and be allowed only a "civil union"?
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Better to legalize it as a "gay union" than as marriage. But even then, why discriminate against all other types of people who happen to live together? Provide all of them the same privileges that a man and woman trying to raise a family have.
I think you are getting stuck on the term "marriage".
"Marriage" is a completely secular, civil institution as far as our local and national governments are concerned, regardless of what GWB, the Senate, or any homophobes say.
You might want to attend a church that believes that gay people do not have as much right to marry as straight people. However, your church, or the government, or you, for that matter, have no right to tell another church what to do if they believe that gay people have every right to marry.
Neither do you have the right to inject your religious views upon the secular definition of marriage that our Constitution allows us to enjoy.
I've done a little editing to your post to make a point. Enjoy:
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Marriage is an ancient and sacred (in countless religions and cultures) union between a man and a woman of the same race for purposes of procreation and child-rearing. "Love" isn't even considered in many cultures where marriages are arranged long before the betrothed individuals even understand a concept of romantic love or sexual relations. If mixed-race couples want to engage in sex or romance or living together, fine. But change the fundamental concept of marriage so they can pretend to live in a normal racially-pure marital relationship? They can't procreate without producing mixed-race children! Better to legalize it as a "mixed-race union" than as marriage. But even then, why discriminate against all other types of people who happen to live together? Provide all of them the same privileges that a racially-pure man and woman trying to raise a racially-pure family have. Why are mixed-race couples so special?
[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-23-2004]
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