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Sky-Writing
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Message 18 of 50 (503735)
03-21-2009 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by harry
03-15-2009 9:15 PM


Better Proof?
Is there a better proof for evolution that the ring species? I don't think so.Unfortunately, I only know of 2.
No. That's an example of variation within the species. Likely you could accomplish the same results in 1 to 10 years of handpicking out certain characteristics.
Basically, "The species is immutable" could be modified to "Each type of animal is immutable and vibrant due to an amazing amount of variation inherent in each animal grouping."
Where you draw the line is up to you. The term "Species" has multiple meanings.

- Sky-

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Sky-Writing
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Message 19 of 50 (503742)
03-21-2009 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Tanypteryx
03-19-2009 1:32 PM


Tools
In all the years they have been around they have not given us a single tool to help us study biology because the tool that actually works in the field or in the lab is the Theory of Evolution.
I doubt you be able to show that even ONE of these highly respected scientists were not believers in Supernatural Intelligent Design.
JOSEPH LISTER
LOUIS PASTEUR
ROBERT BOYLE
GEORGES CUVIER
HENRI FABRE
GREGOR MENDEL
LOUIS AGASSIZ
CAROLUS LINNAEUS
Those are the dead ones.
As to the living, 90% of Geneticists will
tell you (one on one) that they also
believe in a Supernatural Intelligent Designer.
If you don't like my numbers, you can change that to
10% and your statement will still be off base.
As far as I know, no one has ever bred dragonflies. Dragonfly adults do not do well in captivity.
Plus they seem to have never experienced any stress in their lives, given that there is the smallest amount of variation in the fossil record and are a great example of an Immutable Species. This makes them "uninteresting" to study.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 23 of 50 (503759)
03-21-2009 9:39 PM
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03-21-2009 6:34 PM


Re: Tools
Are yes of course, when you are one on one with them. They will only tell you won't they. The more scientific qualifications one has, the more likely you are to be less religious.
True, but that's due to their religious upbringing, not increased education.
As to asking them, I challenge you do it and report back here with your own results.
Nobody has had the guts to do it yet. They don't want to find out their friends believe in the supernatural.
So they hide in forums where 10 people out of the world's population believe the same as they do.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 25 of 50 (503761)
03-21-2009 10:00 PM
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03-21-2009 6:23 PM


Re: Tools
In all the years they have been around they have not given us a single tool to help us study biology because the tool that actually works in the field or in the lab is the Theory of Evolution.
So Yes, ID believers have given us tools.
And no. The Theory of Evolution is a footnote in any "List of tools" for biology. "The Lab" deals with real testable results. Not theory that take millions of years to get results.
Inherent variation, on the other hand, can be worked with in days and months. Ring Species is the study of current population variation and is proof of intelligent design rather than evolution.

- Sky-

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Sky-Writing
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Message 26 of 50 (503762)
03-21-2009 10:11 PM
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03-21-2009 9:58 PM


Re: Tools
Hmm. And here I'm a highly educated atheist that was raised a China missionary brat......
....and your thinking that your life is a normal pattern for the rest of the world.
But I hold your parents responsible for that attitude.
Research shows different results.
Search - "Science Not to Blame for Non-Religious Scientists"

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Sky-Writing
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Message 27 of 50 (503763)
03-21-2009 10:19 PM
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03-21-2009 9:58 PM


Re: Tools
I still want to know why those Siberian greenish warblers don't interbreed, Sky.
My first answer, without any study of the situation, would be attitude. Behavior has the most profound and active effect on species differentiation. It could be any number of factors that would change whether a bird needed to be aggressive or passive. had an easy life or hard...etc.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 36 of 50 (503924)
03-23-2009 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by CosmicChimp
03-23-2009 12:47 PM


Re: The Juxtaposed, Conflicting and Contradicting Ideas of -Sky-
Your group of varied individuals cannot monitor their own degree of variation.
We don't agree.
Edited by -Sky-, : Sorry, I'm not supposed to talk.

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