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Lizard Breath
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Message 82 of 302 (225221)
07-21-2005 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by kongstad
07-21-2005 8:04 AM


Misconceptions
Pro choice is about a human beings medical decisions being between himself, og herself and a doctor. Conservatives want to impose on this, and deny people this.
Wrong. Pro Choice at it's core is about convienence and expediency. It's about ending a process prematurely so as to not obligate the mother with the task of allowing here body to complete the function that it was supremely designed for which is to be an enviroment for the development of a new human. It's about ending the 9 month gestation period anytime the mother sees fit.
This is true concerning abortion but also concerning contraceptives. The right to use contraceptives is in danger with a conservative ruled supreme court.
RU-486 is not a contraceptive. RU-486 is designed to terminate a newly formed successful conception. CONTRA-ceptives like the birth control pill prevent the mother's body from entering in to a state where conception could be successful, and these medicines are not in question by a right winged supreme court now.
Pro Life is about protecting the developing human until it is born, and then encourageing unprepared mothers to give the child up for adoption. They are the opposing voice for the child from minute 1 through month 9 @ birth.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 84 of 302 (225225)
07-21-2005 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Chiroptera
07-21-2005 5:13 PM


Re: Misconceptions
"Pro-life" is about forcing women to bear an unwanted fetus despite the medical and social complications that this entails.
Wrong. Pro-Life is about setting priorities for those who are unable to do so themselves. Pro Life states that the life of a human, especially in the most inocent and vulnerable state as gestation, is far more important than "social complications".
The "medical complications" is a non-player in the debate because the statistics of how many abortions performed on women because of risks to the mothers life verses the number performed out of convienence or "social complications" is extremely small.
Which is good enough for me.
This is where evolution breaks down for me because even in lower mamals, the reguard for new life is paramont. The fact that the top mammal has such a calous disreguard for human life and chooses social complications over it points me toward a fallen and lost creation and not a spudder in the evoultionary chain of survival and advancement.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 121 of 302 (225278)
07-21-2005 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Chiroptera
07-21-2005 6:09 PM


Re: Misconceptions
Actually, I was speaking about the fact that there are fewer medical complications and risks, including the risk of death, associated with first trimester abortion than there are with bringing a pregnancy to term.
Wrong. Every first term abortion results in the death of at least one human being.
Who are you to determine when someone else is unable to set her own priorities? Every person has the right to a fullfilling and enriching life, and every person has the right to determine how to achieve a fullfilling and enriching life. If a person decides that she doesn't want to be pregnant, she should have the right to not be pregnant.
Wrong. In your world, the unborn human has no rights while being totally dependant on the mother who is about to kill them, all for the sake of having absolute rights with no boundries.
Again, wrong. Pro Life states that the life of a fetus, especially in the most inocent and vulnerable state as gestation, is far more important than "social complications. And that is exactly what is wrong with pro-life.
Wow!! You have brought us full circle in answering what is a liberal. You are a modern day Western Social Liberal (WSL). That kind of liberal (WSL) is someone who is willing to put aside moral character and replace it with absolute personal freedom, reguardless of the cost. 60 million babies since Roe vs. Wade.
That's why there is so much concern over Judge Roberts. Absolute personal freedom is in jeopardy to moral responsibility.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 125 of 302 (225282)
07-21-2005 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Chiroptera
07-21-2005 8:12 PM


Re: Misconceptions
(P.S., I'm not a liberal.)
Wrong. You are a WSL.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 149 of 302 (225325)
07-21-2005 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Yaro
07-21-2005 9:39 PM


Re: My View on Abortion for the record
I belive that early term abortion (first trimester) is perfectly ok. I don't belive it should be taken lightly, personaly I think people should be practicing safe sex and not doing anything dumb/risky.
Actually, the medical community has said that the brain waves of an infant up to 10 weeks old are no different than the brain waves of the unborn from week 18 on. So, to say that it's a human when there is no differentiating brain activity is incorrect and abortion could be legal up to the 10th week after birth.
Something like early term abortion, mid term abortion, late term abortion, partial birth abortion and post term abortion. The litmus test could be the tell tale signatues of key brain wave patterns, and if those patterns are not present, then the infant is fair game. I'm sure there are plenty of mothers who stuck to it through birth and then realize just how shitty a situation they have landed themselves in. No pun intended
This litmus test might also be applied to the elderly in nursing homes via an excepted stimulus test.

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