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jar
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Message 27 of 302 (225133)
07-21-2005 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Jazzns
07-21-2005 12:58 PM


Re: Cleaning House
There is probably more that I am not thinking of at the moment. Overall I really just wish that the moderates in each party would stand up and do something about the crap. I want someone to say, "My party is not right on all these issues and this is why." Admit that the high ground is not exclusive to this ridiculous label of liberal or conservative. Clean house already and do what is right rather than what is attached the party line.
Hear, Hear. Bravo!
As a Christian, Conservative, Republican I heartily agree. Ever since Reagan, the Republican Party has lost its bearings and has become an embarssment. The same is true of much of Christianity today.

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Message 171 of 302 (225349)
07-21-2005 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Chiroptera
07-21-2005 10:43 PM


Prolife Hypocrites
When the Prolife Hypocrites step up and commit to loving and adopting every unwanted child then I may listen to them. Until then they are simply yet another example of how totally morally bankrupt the Christian Right is.

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jar
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Message 178 of 302 (225359)
07-21-2005 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
07-21-2005 11:31 PM


Re: Liberals/leftists are against freedom
If it were a nation of Christians the first amendment wouldn't be misconstrued as it is to impose a theocracy on the rest, the Ten Commandments or other Christian displays wouldn't be pushed upon others on government property at Christmas or any other time, abortion wouldn't be needed since the hypocrites would adopt all the unwanted children, gay marriage would be the law of the land, etc.etc.etc.

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jar
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Message 237 of 302 (225474)
07-22-2005 12:44 PM


Since we seem to be running out of time
I'd like to try a definition of Liberal and Conservative.
A Liberal thinks that he knows how to live his life better than you.
A Conservative thinks that he knows how to live YOUR life better than you.

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jar
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Message 247 of 302 (225490)
07-22-2005 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Yaro
07-22-2005 1:24 PM


Re: Liberals/leftists are against freedom
The simple fact that the government is organized as it it, with the Judiciary appointed for life and Impeachment being the only way to remove a Justice, shows that the founding fathers were VERY concerned to make sure that the Majority did not determine control. In fact, the existence of the Senate is yet another clear proof in support of protection against the tyranny of the majority. There is also the restriction that a Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidate may not come from the same state.

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jar
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Message 269 of 302 (225527)
07-22-2005 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by arachnophilia
07-22-2005 2:39 PM


Re: you're not helping
faith writes:
the English Reformation resulted in the Church of England
arach writes:
the anglican church, yes. not exactly the same reformation, mind you. it was henry 8th taking the place of the pope, so he could divorce his wives. other than that, anglican is pretty similar to catholic.
Actually, the creation of the Anglican Church and Henry's break with Catholicism was far more a product of conflicting calendars and the speed of communication than anything else IMHO. But that's grist for yet another mill.
In addition, we need to remember that the Puritan actions included beheading a reigning monarch.
But can we head back towards "What is a liberal?"

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jar
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Message 283 of 302 (225555)
07-22-2005 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Rahvin
07-22-2005 3:40 PM


Big disagreement
Rahvin writes:
Conservatives seem to try to make things the way they "used to be," because the old ways were obviously better.
I disagree. The folk we're talking about, the Classic Creationists, the current crop of Conservatives as reflected by the Republican Party in the US, the Fundamentalists and Evangelicals are not trying to make things the way they used to be, but rather the way they imagine they used to be. There is no connection with the reality or historical accuracy of their imagined past. That past, whether it's the Creation Myth of the Bible, the Flood, the Exodus, the foundation of the US as a Christian Nation or any other subject is not based on fact but rather some fantasy world they have created.
If they actually recognized the reality of the past, there would be no Classic Creationists, no CPT theory, no claims that the US is or ever was a Christian Nation, no issues over Ten Commandment statues, Gay Marriage or even abortion.

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