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Topic: The 2016 United States Presidential Election
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 346 of 892 (794062)
11-09-2016 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 345 by dronestar
11-09-2016 11:01 AM
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Re: The Clinton Machine
Another absurd post from you. Hillary has never been head of State or of any Military while every member of the German Army DID recognize Hitler as their commander. Do you have any understanding of honesty, reason, logic or law? Edited by jar, : two l
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caffeine
Member (Idle past 1053 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: 10-22-2008
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Message 347 of 892 (794063)
11-09-2016 11:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 337 by Diomedes
11-09-2016 9:07 AM
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Re: The Clinton Failure
One little sidebar: if I was an incumbent politician in Germany or France, I would be shitting my pants right now. Between our election and Brexit, there is now a ground swell of populism sweeping through the world. Merkel is not doing well in Germany and the far right party in France is gaining ground. The results of Brexit and our election could be just the catalyst they need to sweep into victory.
Marine Le Pen has already started to use this outcome to bolster her chances. Now everyone will say there is 'no chance' of her winning. Well, we said that about Brexit. We said that about Trump. Is anything not possible at this stage? It's worthwhile remembering that the last time a Le Pen got to the second round of the Presidential election the runoff vote was probably the biggest landslide in the history of democratic elections, as almsot everyone who hadn't voted for him in the first round turned out to vote for anyone but him. Now, I know Marine is not Jean-Marie, but the fact remains that if she makes it to the runoff she's likely going to be running against the Republican candidate, who will then again have not only his own support but the whole of the organised left campaigning for 'anyone but Le Pen'. And whilst it's true that we (myself included) said there was no chance of Trump winning, I don't think anyone who paid the least bit of attention said there was no chance of Brexit.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 348 of 892 (794064)
11-09-2016 11:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 337 by Diomedes
11-09-2016 9:07 AM
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Free To Make Money
But the big takeaway here is the Democratic party grossly underestimating how disenfranchised people in the rust belt have been feeling for a long time now. They watched their net worth evaporate as jobs were shipped overseas. And to add insult to injury, many got devastated in the wake of the financial crisis. The Democrats were supposed to be the party of the middle class. But in the end, they just became a reflection of the Republicans by placating to the same Wall Street assholes that have caused the last few booms and busts we have seen. I just had my step 2 meeting to try and get my union job back. The union is not happy with this election, and all of my Christian friends are telling me to forget the union and trust God...while my republican friends are telling me im "free" to make as much as I want now....but for an aging 57 year old diabetic with limited strength...my only recourse is to be a televangelist! 
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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dronestar
Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: 11-19-2008 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 349 of 892 (794065)
11-09-2016 11:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 324 by vimesey
11-09-2016 5:00 AM
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Re: The Clinton Failure
That was a nice post. Good job Vim.
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dronestar
Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: 11-19-2008 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 350 of 892 (794068)
11-09-2016 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 346 by jar
11-09-2016 11:03 AM
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Re: The Clinton Machine
"Another absurd post from you." Phew, I didn't think you could handle another disappointment for today. 
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nwr
Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 351 of 892 (794070)
11-09-2016 12:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 338 by dronestar
11-09-2016 9:59 AM
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Re: The Clinton Machine
There's no evidence there to support your claim. Sure, they give reason why you hate Hillary. And they are reasons why I am unenthusiatic about her. But still zero evidence to support your claims.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Genomicus
Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 852 Joined: 02-15-2012
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Message 352 of 892 (794071)
11-09-2016 12:41 PM
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Welp
Big "Sieg Heil Trump" with swastika painted overnight on campus building of my university town's campus. And I'm in a blue state. This sucks majorly.
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dronestar
Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: 11-19-2008 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 353 of 892 (794078)
11-09-2016 2:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 351 by nwr
11-09-2016 12:29 PM
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Re: The Clinton Machine
nwr writes: There's no evidence there to support your claim. As Mod seemed to accept my claim, Message 140 and Message 170, I suspect you either: never read my posts in full, are being willfully obtuse, or simply being dishonest. Back to my question:
Do you think the viewpoints of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi mothers, who lost many of their children due to Hillary’s enthusiastic support of Bush Jr.s immoral and illegal Iraq invasion, would also consider Hillary to be a credible potential President? Let's try using the golden rule: IF a foreign politician voted to murder your children and parents based on lies, a crime of aggression, would YOU think that person would make a credible potential president? It's a simple question that I'm quite confident you'll continue to avoid answering. Edited by dronestar, : clarity
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: The Clinton Machine
drone writes: Let's try using the golden rule: IF a foreign politician voted to murder your children and parents based on lies, a crime of aggression, would YOU think that person would make a credible potential president? It's a simple question that I'm quite confident you'll continue to avoid answering. Do you think you can show the record of when the vote to murder children took place? I will admit I have not read all of the Congressional record or watch all of the cspan broadcasts but I cannot find any record of there ever being a vote to murder any children.
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dronestar
Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: 11-19-2008 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 355 of 892 (794080)
11-09-2016 3:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 354 by jar
11-09-2016 3:04 PM
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Re: The Clinton Machine
Mod seemed to get my claim. Perhaps you can try reading my posts in full. Or possibly you are being willfully obtuse or dishonest?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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try honesty drone
drone writes: Mod seemed to get my claim. Perhaps you can try reading my posts in full. Or possibly you are being willfully obtuse or dishonest? You question MY honesty when I quote your exact words? Come On Man!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you or did you not say "Let's try using the golden rule: IF a foreign politician voted to murder your children and parents based on lies, a crime of aggression, would YOU think that person would make a credible potential president? It's a simple question that I'm quite confident you'll continue to avoid answering." Are those not the very words you posted? Do you think you can show the record of when the vote to murder children took place? I will admit I have not read all of the Congressional record or watch all of the cspan broadcasts but I cannot find any record of there ever being a vote to murder any children. People might begin to take you seriously if they thought there was any hope you might ever be reasonable, rational or honest.
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2424 Joined: 12-22-2015 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 357 of 892 (794082)
11-09-2016 3:37 PM
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Madeline Albright said 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children were "worth it" (sanctions)
Google type in "madeleine albright worth it" That Secretary of State under Bill Clinton said it and it is on video.
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Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it ... Video for madeleine albright worth it▶ 0:24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8 Feb 9, 2011 - Uploaded by 91177info
The US, UK and Israel are hoping for the same effect on Iranian children with sanctions. Iran does not want or ... Madeleine Albright - Wikiquote Madeleine Albright - Wikiquote I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" Albright was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations at the time. Madeleine Albright, ethically challenged — William Blum Madeleine Albright, ethically challenged – William Blum Lesley Stahl, speaking of US sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. ... Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it.. ... 5) In February 1996, as UN ambassador, Albright reacted ... Madeleine Albright - Wikipedia Madeleine Albright - Wikipedia Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright is an American politician and diplomat. She is the first woman ..... and Albright replied "we think the price is worth it." Albright later ... Political party: Democratic Religion: Episcopalianism; (Formerly Roman ... Children: Alice; Anne; Katherine Spouse(s): Joseph Albright (1959—1982) College protests revive accusations against war criminal Madeleine ... Salon.com... May 11, 2016 - The price is worth it, Albright bluntly replied. ... was taking place, and yet the Americans, led by U.S. Ambassador Madeleine Albright, played ... 'We Think the Price Is Worth It' | FAIR fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/ Nov 1, 2001 - And, you know, is the price worth it? Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price—we think the price is ... Democracy Now! Confronts Madeleine Albright on the Iraq Sanctions ... http://www.democracynow.org/...confronts_madeline_albright_o... Jul 30, 2004 - Madeleine Albright replied, "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price we think the price is worth it." Last night, as people filed out of the ... If Anyone's Going to Hell, It's Madeleine Albright Alex Jones ... http://www.infowars.com/...ng-to-hell-its-madeleine-albright Feb 8, 2016 - Madeleine Albright's warning that women who don't vote for Hillary are going to hell ... We think the price is worth it, Albright responded. Albright Apologizes - The Future of Freedom Foundation Albright Apologizes – The Future of Freedom Foundation Nov 7, 2003 - In 1996 then-UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright was asked by 60 ... think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it. Iraqi Sanctions: Were They Worth It? - Global Policy Forum https://www.globalpolicy.org/...ntent/article/170/41952.html In May 1996 Madeleine Albright, who was then the U.S. ambassador to the UN, ... I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.
Hillary opposed letting in the Central American children who were refugees. Sanders opposed it at the time. Sanders said, on the Univision debate, that any child should have the right to cross the border. Hillary was forced to claim she agreed.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: The Clinton Machine
dronestar writes: IF a foreign politician voted to murder your children and parents based on lies, a crime of aggression, would YOU think that person would make a credible potential president?
You don't seem to understand how democracy works. You'd be hard-pressed to find a US legislator who has never voted for something that caused deaths directly or indirectly. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a US voter who has never voted for one of them. By your ridiculous standard, the only Americans who aren't war criminals are the ones who don't vote.
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dronestar
Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: 11-19-2008 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 359 of 892 (794084)
11-09-2016 3:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 356 by jar
11-09-2016 3:12 PM
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try hypocrisy Jar
Jar writes: People might begin to take you seriously if they thought there was any hope you might ever be reasonable, rational or honest. It burns. _________________________ Anyways, a pity that your stunted pea-brain intellectual capacity isn't as logical and advanced as Mod's. My sincere apologies Jar.
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dronestar
Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: 11-19-2008 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 360 of 892 (794085)
11-09-2016 3:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 358 by ringo
11-09-2016 3:41 PM
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Re: The Clinton Machine
Look up "crime of aggression." Or read Mod's posts, Message 140 and Message 170, they can be understood by the simple-minded. Errm, well, at least you can try.
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