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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You still have not answered the question. Is the Flood event
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of coarse,yes, all kinds before the flood survived the flood. Againd a different distribution of diversity. So all kinds that existed before the flood survived after the flood? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You say history/science are never about certitude. That is correct.
Flying here,healing that and surely in origin claims that we engage in debating is all about what is true and what is not true. That is incorrect. Science does not deal with truth. But it can often prove something is false. So you cannot know something is true with certainity, but you can certainly prove something is false.
Evolutionists speak absolutely about origins and rejectiong{sic} Bible origins. Evolution says nothing about Origins. However, science in general can show that the story of Genesis in the Bible is at most an allegory. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Robert.
The Genesis story of Creation was shown to be wrong long, long before Dawin published. The TOE simply added additional evidence. But the Genesis myth was falsified long, long ago. But back on the Flood, that too had been falsified long before Evolution was even considered. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Either evolution etc is presented in society by the establishment as true and proven and having disproved previous ideas or I've been asleep all my life. Are you perhaps confusing Evolution and the Theory of Evolution? Evolution is simply an account of what happened. It is the sum body of all the evidence. It happened. The evidence is there. The Theory of Evolution though is an attempt to explain the steps, forces and reasons that Evolution happened. So far, over the last 150 years, the TOE has not only withstood every challenge, it has provided a way to make predictions that have later shown to be true. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So once again, when you are confronted with the error in your posts, your response is to change what you said and pretend it never happened?
Originally you said:
Usually we weigh the evidence and with that consider the authority behind it. and once you were shown that Authority was not a valid way of ariving at conclusions you try to reword it to:
We had and have the practice of assesing the evidence and drawing conclusions. Then you go on and compound your error by saying:
Yet on the matter of origins suddenly it is insisted there will be a new way of finding conclusions. You continue to make the assertion, even after you have been told numerous times that it is simply false, that Evolution deals with more than just the origin of species. One last time. Evolution does not deal with the Origin of Life. Evolution is the body of evidence, nothing more. Just the evidence. The Theory of Evolution is the best explanation yet to explain the body of Evidence. Now, how about your trying to get back on the topic which is: Fossil Sorting in the Great Flood Part 2 To deal with this, please point to where the evidence of the Great Flood lies in the Geologic Column. Next, please explain the fossil sorting that is seen in all of the layers of the GC, beginning with the pre-Cambrian and working your way upwards. If you can not do that, layer by layer, species by species, then your theory will have been falsified. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
For the first time that I can remember, I actually think I understood everything in your post except...
what did it have to do with anything? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You say:
Evolutionary biology,geology,cosmology, are studies of history. Not Scientific studies. But you have been told and know that is simply not the case. Evolution is going on today and you havebeen shown examples of it. Biology goes on today and you can see examples of it everytime you cut the grass. Geology is going on today and can be experienced every time you are in an earthquake. These are very much sciences and you know it. Quit trying to claim they are not. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But that was only coastal and so is no evidence for a world-wide flood of the magnitude described in Genesis.
But I don't think anyone would disagree that events such as that lead to many of the flood myths. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay, I feel much better now.
Didn't understand a word this time. Back to normal. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As to aquatic mammals/reptiles not together in the fossil record. Simple mammals did not take to the sea until after the flood. Before the ancesters of whales/seals were on the land. But as on the land there was a dominance shift and so the sea was free for invasion. Thank you. You have finally agreed that Macroevolution happens. Now let's examine this a little deeper. You are saying that not only does macro evolution (some land animal evolving into dolphin and whales), but that this Macroevolution proceeds at an astounding pace, from land animal into whale in only 6000 years. While evolutionists will agree with you that Macro-evolution happened, land animals evolved into whales, the issue is the speed. The time period you propose is very rapid. In addition, during this whole period there were human observers. How do you explain
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I wanted to put all of this together in one post for future generations. I must admit that your response is extremely enlightening.
Originaly RB said.
As to aquatic mammals/reptiles not together in the fossil record. Simple mammals did not take to the sea until after the flood. Before the ancesters of whales/seals were on the land. But as on the land there was a dominance shift and so the sea was free for invasion. That is pretty simple. Things like cows or something were living on land and after the flood decided to live in the water. Some pretty major changes would be needed, legs became flippers, nostrils moved from the nose to the top of the head and developed flaps to close them off, bodies became streamlined, but pretty much what Evolutionists have said was what happened. But RB is implying speed like no one else. So, I responded.
jar writes: You have finally agreed that Macroevolution happens. to which RB replied:
The changes of aquatic creatures would still be micro and not macro. And yes it would be quick. Not thosands or hundred years but only generations. Probably most speciation now on the planet was finshed within a hundred years of the flood. the fossil evidence insists on this. To your three points.No people would be watching as they werte slow to leave ark set down. I presume you mean there are relative remains about intermediate stages. (odd on this forume to hear that). Speciation is a sudden reaction and not a process from point a to point b. There would be no intermediate fossils even in the unlikely case of fossilization.There are some examples where needed of aquatic creatures in between (as we see it not them) Possible explanations as to why Rapid change does not take place today as it is not needed.Also from a biblical standpoint creatures were to quickly occupy the earth after the flood and so the means was there. Probably speciation is a result of wealthy envirirments for immigrant kinds. Rob So for all the Evolutionists here on the board, the wisdom of Rob. Changing from a land mammal into a whale is not Macroevolution. And changes from a land animal into a whale can happen in just generations, less than a hundred years.
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