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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and world covering layers is not "together"
heh. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
More on the foramins is on Don Lindsay's website at:
article 8 (site the picture is taken from) the article writes: Tony Arnold and Bill Parker compiled what may be the largest, most complete set of data on the evolutionary history of any group of organisms, marine or otherwise. The two scientists amassed something that their land-based colleagues only dreamed about: An intact fossil record with no missing links. One of my favorite examples of transitions. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
ark writes:
Let's try S.A. Tree Sloths always above Velociraptors. Sloths don't swim, run, or swing in trees faster than velociraptors move in their sleep. Velociraptors always below sloths in the geological strata. I raised one new possibility to potentially add in the mix. Why would bunnies get to higher ground than dinos? Could they hop there quicker? ha. Still making fantasy to support belief, so not any part of any literal interpretation. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
ahahahaaa
I was waiting for ark to say it was because the sloths climbed up the trees and the velociraptors were left on the ground ... we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
now you beat me to the reply ... heh.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
ark writes:
Neither stronger nor bigger are needed to meet the criteria of evolution ... just survival to contribute to the next generation. Hmm, perhaps evolution's idea of the survival of the fittest, and strongest and biggest is wrong! Survival of the fittest is all that is needed for that. When stronger is fitter, they will survive. Being too muscular to escape predators will not. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
look again at the data from the 65 million year old meteor event that left the iridium layer demarking the end of dinosaurs and the beginning of the age of mammals ....
iow -- yes. this does not, however explain the absence of any 'bunny' fossils below the iridium layer -- it does not facilitate an ordering of the fossils within the geological strata. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I think he means the k-t boundary that is marked by the layer of iridium -- a rather short (geologically) duration event with a definite change between before and after.
I have wondered before why more creationists don't take this tack. Of course there are severe 'kinds' of problems ... heh. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
to pick up the thread
K-T boundary \ iridium layer and relation to the flood ...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Robert writes: Also Above the K-T line is very little rock development as it would be the post flood world that created that rock./ Seldom and mostly volcanic. Likewise fossils in those rare areas are of the post flood world. How do you explain the definite multiple layers of sedimentary rock above the K-T iridium layer, post flood, and the mechanism by which the sediment became rock in just a few short years? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Robert writes: THe layering of Rock kinds is a human interpretation of Rocks in the field. In fact the only boundaries are those separated by events. Like with a layered cake. The layered cake is made instantly not one layer everyother week. This gets into the question of measuring time back to the date of the flood. Perhaps you would like to (a) tell us when you think the flood occured and (2) tell how you reconcile that with known dating methods from a number of sources that all confirm each other including counting of actual annual layers to 567,700 years? see {Age Correlations and an Old Earth}http://EvC Forum: Age Correlations and an Old Earth for more on this topic. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
How do you explain layers of sedimentary rock on top of volcanic rock on top of sedimentary rock ... above the KT boundary?
Why is this rock no different from other rock layers below the KT boundary except for appearance of greater age? Why do some of these layers also have fossils of undersea organisms if they occured after the flood event? Why do these also look like layers below the KT boundary?
robert writes:
This at least is consistent with a belief structure that takes a literalist approach. Of course this means that whole chunks of scientific knowledge must be regarded as nonsense to make it work -- what I call a high nonsense quotient on {Ideas of Reality} at geology is not a scientific study EvC Forum: Ideas of Reality Denial is no basis for science. enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
you of course realize that the smallest dimmest weakest star weighs many times the weight of jupiter which weighs many times the weight of the earth, so if one (1) star "fell" to earth it would take it out? the biggest meteors (like the one that hit just off the Yucatan penninsula and caused the iridium layer at the end of the age of dinosaurs) were only a mile or two in diameter?
Canadian shield? Lake Ontario or further north? Sea Kayak or river? (I used to live in T'ronna near High Park -- know another name for the Don Valley Parkinglot? T'ronna's sorest wrecks ... we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
this raises interesting questions ... I'll see if you get to them
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Robert Byers writes: Simple mammals did not take to the sea until after the flood. Before the ancesters of whales/seals were on the land. But as on the land there was a dominance shift and so the sea was free for invasion. The land would have been equally free for invasion, so that alone is not sufficient: you would require time for the land ecosystem to become saturated with species, which is going to take some time based on the initial populations. Now you propose that whales evolved to have flippers for front feet and a flat tail and almost complete lose of rear legs (down to a remnant hip bone) plus their whole breathing method and capacity and their streamlined body in only a few thousand years, but "macro"evolution doesn't happen? Do you realize this is more change than would be needed to get from a horse to a giraffe by orders of magnitude? Curious how you explain the coelacanth and the shark, both found in the fossil record from below the iridium layer (which I assume is still your "marker" for the flood date) and where they survived the flood (do we still have those "red-eye" continents or have they slowed down again?)
Finally it must be said again that creationists don't accept that there has been sorting of fossils. They are simplly the fossilized momment in time. The seeming sorting is a error of interpretation of data. Denial does not explain anything, and nature is notoriously unimpressed by it. Cashiers in many states do not accept Canadian currency, but that does not make the currency invalid. What you fail to grasp is that you need to explain a method for the "apparent" sorting if you are going to make your claims. If it is an error of interpretation, then provide the corrections to the interpretation that give as good an answer to all the questions of layers and species in a manner at least as consistent as evolution. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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