"The Exodus Revealed" Video II

Buz, if there is emperical evidence tell me where in the world I need to go to see it? To look up close at it. To (with permission or good reason) touch it? It is somewhat analogous to the broken, replaced parts at the, perhaps, shady car repair shop. I want to see them!If that isn't available show me the lab reports of the analysis done and the details of the handling of it. That is, I would prefer to see the parts come out of my car not just be shown some parts that might have.As best as I can tell, it is all missing or inaccessible. If that is true there is no evidence that matters a damm.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 08-06-2004 12:32 AM

The original discussion was initiated by Buzsaw in support of Moller. Given that it is up to your side to produce the evidence to support the assertions you make.However we know that Moller is not competent in Egpytology. We can be sure that many of Lysimachus false and misleading arguments for the rewrite of Egyptian history come from Moller even if Lysimachus made up some of the himself.We also know that the peopele on your side are all too prone to misrepresenting your sources - it appears to be a failure to read and understand rather than dishonesty - but it means that we cannot accept you as reliable sources. And from the evidence already produced it seems that Moller and Wyatt are also unreliable for similar reasons. That means that it is very important to actually see the lab reports rather than be told what the lab reports say - because we cannot rely on the accuracy of what is said.

Jesus blood was shed to save you from sin, that's what happened with Jesus' blood -- as for what Ron says happened with it, you can read it on our websites.But if you're a confirmed atheist evolutionist, you won't believe it.

PaulK, so get Moller's book and read it, or don't! How else are you going to know whether Moller did it right or did it wrong? And as I said before, Moller is a professional scientist -- and none of us who are trying to share his material with you guys on this forum are professional scientists --So if you crave a discussion of the Exodus discovery in its purist "scientific" form, THEN GO GET IN TOUCH WITH LENNART MOLLER!

NosyNed wrote: "Buz, if there is emperical evidence tell me where in the world I need to go to see it? To look up close at it."You go to Ron's museum in Cornersville, TN -- or you take up scuba diving lessons and make a trip to the Gulf of Aqaba!Or if you want to visit Lennart Moller, buy a plane ticket to Sweden!THAT'S how you can go see the evidence "close up" for yourself!

As I have already said:1) It's the responsibility of the Moller supporters here to back up their claims. If you can't then too bad for you2) I don't trust Moller to report things accurately - Lysmiachus has already given enough evidence that he is unreliable.Given these facts I'm not about to waste money on Moller's book.

Jim asserts You need to understand that the opposition to the revelations of Ron Wyatt or the Exodus video are not simply coming from Atheists. The vast majority of Christians also question what you folk claim.The problem is that no real research has been done. The scientific method has not been applied in any of the cases. The basic investigations have been tainted by bias from the beginning.This thread is about the Exodus video. Specifically, the video is not evidence. Having seen the video, I can say that there is not one single item, one single claim, that showed either any connection to the Biblical account of Exodus or even anything remarkable.If there is evidence, I once again suggest that you pick one single item that you believe can be supported. Present and support that one item. After you establish that first step, take the next item. But so far, not one of those posting in support of the video have been able to sucessfuly support a single assertion.At a minimum, list four or five things that you find significant and we can discuss them individually.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Paulk wrote: "Given these facts I'm not about to waste money on Moller's book.""Then maybe you ought to stop posting comments about an author's published work when you refuse to even read it!

So what you are saying is that I'm not allowed to reply to posts made here unless I pay money to Moller ?It doesn't work that way. If you post anything here it is up for discussion.And unless you want to accuse Lysimachus of seriously misrepresenting what Moller claims I've seen enough of what the book says to justify the comments I've made about Moller. And if you do want to take that tack I suggest that you take it up with Lysimachus.

jar (hey, if you learned to stutter, we could call you "jar jar") writes: "Having seen the video, I can say that there is not one single item, one single claim, that showed either any connection to the Biblical account of Exodus or even anything remarkable..."OK, let's get this straight -- you saw the video, a video whose entire content dealt with discussing the biblical route of the Exodus, and YOU say that it did not show "any connection the the biblical account of the Exodus"????It showed ZERO material dealing with the Exodus??Absolutely NOTHING was on the video that realated to the biblical account of the Exodus??The entire Exodus video by Moller discussed ONLY things that had nothing to do with the Exodus??Nothing, absolutely NOTHING??????????Guys, it's time to call the guys in the white jackets to come and pick up your friend jar here, because he has absolutely flipped out and is completely out of touch with reality!Will one of you guys call him a doctor, he needs it QUICK!See, I watched Moller's Exodus video and I happen to know that the whole video deals directly with the search for the Exodus route -- yep, I've seen the video with my own two eyes -- and ol' jar-jar here must have "blinked" when he was watching it, because if he goes and says such STUPID things like he did in his post, there's REALLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM!And he's dumber than his Star Wars namesake!

PaulK writes: "If you post anything here it is up for discussion.>>Fine -- we will post from a position of KNOWLEDGE, and YOU can keep posting from a position of IGNORANCE!Because if you refuse to read Moller's book, you are IGNORANT of what Moller put in it -- and when we post some of it here, you know we haven't posted "everything"! THE BOOK IS 320-PAGES LONG with 500+ PICS IN IT!!! So you haven't even seen 98% of his book!OK, be ignorant, stay ignorant --But just so you know, we are going to call you "ignorant," my friend! And on a forum that supposedly respects intelligence, I don't think your ignorance is going to go very far. Not if the people here are smart enough to see what's going on!Read the book = being informed!Not reading the book = IGNORANT!

And so once again, instead of providing us with supporting scientific evidence you resort to attacking the messenger.Please. Can we deal with evidence.Can you pick one item from the video that you believe can be supported and we will happily discuss it?Here is a partial list of things that have been brought up by supporters of the video in past threads.

• the split rock.
• the coral formations.
• the glyphs.
• the land bridge.
• the altar table.

Which one of these that you feel you can actually support and would like to start with?

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Excellent! What are the particular objects that are available in the museum?What GPS co ordinates will one need to go to in the gulf?There is no need to talk face to face with the researchers, of course.

NosyNed, here is the phone number of Ron's museum in Cornersville, TN: 931-293-4745 -- feel free to call and ask about which samples they have on display. Hours are 9am to 5pm CST, Sunday-Friday.As far as GPS readings, all you have to do is go to the southern area of the Nuweiba beach, it's very obvious that's where the underwater path begins.

I'm not refusing to READ the book - I am refusing to pay money for it.And of course I am not ignorant of the material from the book that has been posted here. And it is from that material that I know that Moller is unreliable. And there is nothing to stop you from using the book to answer Charles' questions. If the material is there.Is it there ?