"The Exodus Revealed" Video II

I'm not use to being ignored around here.Let me make it very clear...the name calling and "go to hells" (biblical or not) will stop. Consider this your one and only warning.If anyone on this thread cannot argue without resorting to name calling they don't need to be here and they WILL suffer a full suspension.If I have missed anyone else resorting to this type of behavior towards a fellow member in this topic, please direct me to the post number.

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I appreciate your efforts to show me the information that you know Lysimachus.I try to be open minded because it seems to be more constructive and pay off in the end. I do have honest skepticism with Ron's claims.
But, who wouldn't at first? I mean it's not every day that you hear about a guy who claims to have found Noah's Ark, Red Sea crossing, Mt. Sinai, Ark of the covenant, etc.I think it's best to hear the story from the people who actually knew Mr. Wyatt and his research, and were open minded enough to investigate the information without a preconceived bias.

But John, what different would any of that make to proper scientific tests of the evidence?Science is never about testimony, when people want to talk about people and their characteristics in emotive terms (Brave, clever etc) rather than the evidence, you have to ask yourself why.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-07-2004 01:46 PM

Well, I just recently did a quick google search on the chariot wheels in the red sea, and I have to say that those pictures are quiet amazing.I am convinced that those are chariot wheels. I think most rational un-biased minded people would agree at first glance.And if indeed those are chariot wheels and human bones down there, why don't we have scuba teams down there right now photographing and collecting remains?At face value, it seems that this really is the site where the Red sea crossing took place. How many other locations in the near east have human bones, and chariot parts been discovered?

Can you provide some links to those pictures? Do they differ from what we have seen?John - how do you know that the photos are the real deal? If it was you, how would you go about proving the nature of those finds?

Do you accept anything in your life on the flimsiest of eveidence. Does it not strike you as strange that no one else has 'found' this material? Or that Ron Wyatt is considered a fraud by even most fundamentalists. Or that this is not front page news the world over as being perhaps the biggest archeological find in history.Are you so gullible?

John Williams,First, I would just like to thank you for your honest skepticism. I completely understand that you should not need to be made to believe in something for which there isn’t sufficient evidence. The findings of these chariot wheels are not a conclusive proof in themselves that they are the remains of the Egyptian army as described in Scripture, but when this finding is taken IN ITS ENTIRETYconsidering the other corroborative data and archaeological evidence to connect these finds with the Exodus event, it is very easy to recognize that there is some serious significance in these discoveries with regard to the Exodus account in the Bible.I do not need to elaborate extensively on the myopic disregard for the evidence that is being manifested by a number of individuals in this thread that have engaged in this controversy. Not only have they failed to refute the evidence presented, but they have instead ventured to PRETEND that no evidence has been yet provided. My word of advice to you John, is to look at the evidence for yourself, rather than accepting first hand the empty accusations being proliferated here.I will be addressing the posts that were directed to me as soon as I can, as well as some other points. You'll have to excuse me, this thread is growing at a faster pace than I can keep up with.

Hydarnes, there is nothing to be taken "in its entirety" if each individual claim cannot be verified.

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can supporters just give us ONE piece of evidence that had been checked by independent sources?

No Charles, they have not. I do not believe that they fully understand what is meant by "evidence".They have various observations that have lead them to a hypothesis. NOW comes the verficication of each of these observations, the independent testing, the documentation, the peer review...They do not understand this. The honestly believe their observations lead to the "truth."

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These are people who are not versed in how things in the 'real world' work. How independent verification and testing are important pieces of the scientific method. How peer review is important.What we have here is a case of a few nuts (Wyatt etc.) who are known to have fabricated things in the past, who obviously have a huge reason to fabricate (i.e back up their extremist cultic form of Christianity) and are considered fringe elements even by groups like AIG and ICR.Then the gullible followers of these people accuse the whole world of conspiracies to prevent the 'truth' coming out and ignoring the 'evidence'. Yet, none of these supporters, is obviously clued in at all as to how scientific inquiry occurs - I'd be shocked if any of the folks on here trumpeting Wyatts' nonsense have as a profession anything remotely related to science.

I appreciate your ouput you guys.You're probably all more informed about this stuff than I am.I guess it would seem pretty gullible to believe something from just a few pictures and movies that might be fraudulent or misinterpretations of something...If that's the case, I think it's pretty gullible to believe that the U.S. sent men to the Moon. Unless there are rocks and samples from the moon's surface that can be identified as "not from our world", I will have to discredit the notion that we whent to the moon because pictures and film are not scientific, and neither are witnesses accounts.I'm just joking around, but I think you know what I'm trying to get at.Look you guys, I am open to the possibility that Ron was a complete fruitcake, and that his discoveries were nothing but moneymaking hype. But until Some one can disprove his Red Sea/Mt. Sinai theory in specific, I am open minded and infact believe that he did find some remarkable items in the Red Sea.

Well we have transportation devices that we can examine, we have radio transmissions that we use science to explore where they came from. We have tons and tons of documentation that can examined and explored. Not really no - we have too much evidence that we can explore in a number of ways - including rocks! You have it back to front, he has to prove his claims not the other way around. it only works that way when shysters and pseudo-science is involved.It fine for you to have a belief but it's not proof, you would agree?

John,What will you accept as scientific evidence?lfen

Hydarnes,A corpse is found with bullet holes. Nearby is found a pistol.
Someone says they have found the murder weapon and offer the pistol as evidence. I am now using a legal approach to argument on the hope that this might be more comprehensible to you.You can't say that the pistol is the murder weapon until a number of key tests have been made. We don't even know the person died of gun shot wounds. They could have been dead before being shot. Bullets would need to be recovered and matched to the pattern of other bullets shot from the gun etc.Wyatt has some circumstantial evidence, photos of coral formations that can be viewed as resembling chariot wheels, etc. This has led some to *believe* that this is the site of the bibical exodus crossing. Scientifically, circumstantial evidence at best is grounds for a conjecture.The evidence is not being allowed here any more than it would be in a court of law and not because of myopicness. There have not been tests from verified sources and hopefully more than one source to ascertain what the evidence is.You of course are free to believe. You are free to call us all kinds of names, at least for awhile until an admin intervenes. But we are likewise free to insist on the necessity of a high standard of proof to be offered for claims and to refuse to accept them until such proof is forth coming.lfen