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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
Unfortunately, the name of this archaeologist was not given. I will email Bill Fry and see if he knows. However, we do know that he was from Riyadh University. Read what he told Ron about the Bulls:
Page not found - Anchor Stone International Also, read what 4 doctors and some authors have to say about Jebel Al Lawz and Mt. Sinai" on PAX Television: Mount Sinai Featured on PAX Television ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
quote: No I will not. Because I believe Ron Wyatt, and I know he was an honest man. I don't play by your rules.
quote: What does this have to do with anything? I never told you to download any video. Those are QUOTES! Do you know what "quotes" are? Apparently not. The words of those doctors are right there for you to read, whether it said in a video or not. So there ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
quote: A matter of fact, some of these wheels were tested by credentialed scientist. His name is Dr. Lennart Moller from the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm Sweden. He specializes in studying coral structures and is able to identify whether they were once a chariot wheel. Watch is sketches on the video clip---you will see they are truly amazing. Also, the "table like structure" is clearly an axel with 2 chariot wheels on either end. Many of these objects that he analyzed under the water tested positive with a metal detector. He is a qualified scientist, whether you want to accept it or not. And even if another qualified archaeologist came in, you would start questioning his credentials, and so on. It'll go on forever Charles...can't you see? It's all rotten bias against the Bible...not objective in the least. None of you here (besides Myself, Hydarnes, Buzsaw, JimSDA, Arkeologist, and John Williams) have been objective. NOT in the LEAST! ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
jar,
quote: You are assuming. That was a screenshot from a DVD. The DVD did not take out the side pictures from the beginning. It showed the whole thing, then focused on that particular bull so that the viewer could see the similarities between it and the one in Egypt. Simple as that.
quote: We do not look at data and interpret it alone, as many scientists and yourself try to do. We look at one particular piece of data, and then we look at the surrounding data to see if it fits. If we can clearly see a chain of event, we consider it evidence on a grand whole. This concept has been the hardest one I have ever had to get through to people. It’s called narrow mindedyou focus in with microscopic eyes, but yet miss ALL the surrounding data that ALL points Jebel Al Lawz to be Mt. Sinai. But yet you’re stuck on one tiny little petraglyph. You just don’t know how silly that looks.
quote: So? Things need to be bloated up a bit to get things through to your cabesa. I don’t believe you really noticed that particular petraglyph that well before. You all of a sudden noticed it after, and then come to me pretending like you were well aware of its style, and how it has been connected with the Egyptian version. I have a hard time buying that you were aware of thisand just because there may be hunters surrounding doesn’t suppress our theory in the slightest. The Hebrews were a wondering peoplewho most likely did hunt. If they did not hunt, they could have been drawing those images in rebellion to God, since remember how they would cry to Moses how they wanted meat? God gave the Israelites specific rules of how to eat meat. The Golden Calf worshipping revolved around HEAVY rebellion against God. It is not surprising to see all sort of images of the mixed with the Egyptian bulls.
quote: Once again, so? All this plays in quite well with our theory. I’m glad you pointed this stuff out to meit only confirms this was a wondering group of nomads called Hebrews or Israelites.
quote: I see you like to steel others’ phrases. You didn’t use the phrase smoke and mirrors until after Hydarnes used it. Don’t go trying to use something on me that wasn’t original. But, if you feel I am doing this, then please educate me. I am incapable of knowing how I am doing this.
quote: And what have you produced? We have provided AT LEAST something. It may not be the greatest, but you seem more confident that you are capable of disproving it than I am at proving it. How can this be if you yourself cannot produce evidence against it? You should be trying to see what you can do to HELP me disprove and approve it. But no, your only goal is to try and disprove it.
quote: You are assuming this on baseless ground. There does not just have to be calf inscriptions. There are millions of people here. All one single person needs to do is pick up a stone and start scratching. The bulls are the primary figures, but so what if they add anything else. The Hebrews were not bound to the rules of Egypt, so they could basically do whatever they please.
quote: This plays right into their murmurings and complaints regarding meat. This was a time they were in direct rebellion against God, and it is not surprising for them to draw inscriptions of them hunting animalsjust what they wanted to do. This sort of spirit was later demonstrated by them with the quail. They demanded quail, so finally God gave it to them. Because of their lusts for flesh, God decided to teach them a lesson for not trusting Him with the manna, so He let them, and they got sick.
quote: You think I care about what your stance is? All the opinions in the world don’t make a dent on facts. Whether I present the evidence or not, it stands of alone to testify of itself. And once again you are assuming about the inscriptions. ALL those bulls, animals, hunters, etc. were shown in the video. When the video was trying to make a comparison, it simply highlighted that section so you can focus on it. Aren’t all sophisticated presentations done like that? When someone wants their audience to focus in on something, they don’t just show a whole image and expect everyone to be looking at the same section. You have to manually highlight it. That’s no different than saying the Olympics are dishonest because they focus in on the athletes and don’t show the people as much. This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-12-2004 08:22 PM This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-12-2004 08:23 PM ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
quote: Regardless, he is trained in the field of marine biology. He works in a large university, and works with many other experienced scientists. He knows what he is doing, don't worry. I trust him, and you should to. I don't know of any other credentialed scientists that accuse this man of not being qualified. Do you?
quote: You better believe he can. He's an intelligent man.
quote: So what do you do Charles when there is a CONSISTENT pattern of "round" structures, with axels and other debris? There is a consistent pattern of these finds scattered over a wide area, from the west side (the coast of the Sinai peninsula) to the east side (the coast of the north west Saudi-Arabia) and imply a very extensive disaster, of which there is a length of apprxoimately 14 km and a width of approximately 5 km, the total area covering some 70 km2. I have a number of clear photographs right here in my book that shows both "broken rims" and "round rims" in virtually every single photo--ones that I haven't even posted. It's all over Charles....one right after another all across the Gulf on the sandbar. Also, did you know that Ron Wyatt originally thought this could be the crossing site BEFORE he went diving? Yes Charles...the chariot wheels and parts were only a cherry on top to this grand puzzle. We are now learning more and more everyday as we enter the 21st century that there indeed is a truly loving God that was in control of all things. ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
quote: But how do you know he hasn't put it up for peer review? His endeavors in this field is relatively new. He is letting other scientists in on this and sharing their thoughts. Professor Ken Kitchen, for example, is not for Moller. Yet Moller has him interviewed on his upcoming 3hr/3part series. He is letting anyone say anything they can--and states that it is open for interpretation. Implying that it is open for interpretation is allowing peer review. Have I heard one good credentialed scientist dispute his book yet? Not that I'm aware of. I'm sure there has been though. His book is not just a bunch of "hoo cha cha". One secular college was even considering using his book as a student text book, but the college was was denied funding from the state for the curriculum expansion. My point is, the book is starting to get heard loud and clear. It has even been advertized nation wide in Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR) magazine: Page not found - Anchor Stone International ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
[quote]My rules? unless I am much mistaken it's the rule of this forum, you make a big assumption you need to back it with something. Do you think "Ron was honest" is a particuarly good answer?[quote]
And guess what? I have backed it up with something. Go back and look at all the links to my posts. Don't pretend I haven't, because I have. I'm through with your nonesense, and I'm not going to put up with your stupidity ANY MORE. You here me? And no, I'm not withdrawing because I've done just that. Support.
quote: How so? I also provided my opinions in conjunction with what authorities have said. You're just playing mind games with me, and it isn't appreciated. Are you a psychologists? Because obviously, your words just damper ones spirit, not prove them wrong.
quote: Perhaps the archaeologist would not reveal his name for identity purposes? However, he did reveal he was one from Riyadh University, and I feel that is good enough. There is nothing wrong with claiming an archaeologist said something--even if he does not reveal his name. And by the way, why do you ignore Hydarnes' chain in Post#500? It means nothing to you, eh? Keep it up Charles...keep it up. Keep thinking you're heading in the right direction. ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
PaulK
quote: SEE! I knew it PaulK...I knew it. Whenever we provide you with names, then you revert to questioning everything about them, and whether they should be taken seriously. And GIVE ME A BREAK about "unbiased expert"....There are scientists who are Pro Creation, and Pro Evolution. What do you think the scientists that are Pro Creation are going to do? Try and prove creation. And Pro Evolutionists? Try and prove evolution! Like Hydarnes says "SHEER POPPYCOCK!". Your reasoning is putrefying. Once again, vainless attempts to try and disprove the Bible. Face it, you guys don't want a God involved with your lives---that's the only reason you're fighting all of this so hard. The ONLY reason. Maybe not outwardly, but deep inside it is. This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-12-2004 09:14 PM ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
quote: Think what you like Charles. It doesn't matter to me anymore. ~Lysimachus
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
quote: Try to think how frustrating it might be if you were trying to prove something, and an archaeologist came along and supported your claim. But then he dissapears before he reveals his name. Wouldn't you at least want to tell others that you know an archaeologist said this, but yet you couldn't find out his name? Put yourself in these shoes--- If you guys only knew what Ron went through...he was ready to pull out his hair because it was so difficult to keep things organized...people made it very hard for him. You guys don't have the faintest clue of what I'm really trying to emphasize...so I'll just leave it at that. This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-12-2004 09:23 PM ~Lysimachus
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