Ignorant Creationists vs. Knowledgeable Evolutionists

No, not at all.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Hi KC. Welcome! I suggest that you learn all you can from this place, but do try to comprehend all you can as to how wonderfully complex living things are and the extremely low the odds of it all coming about without an intelligent designer and creator to make it happen so precisely and so complete. Consider also that planet earth, among all the planets in our solar system just happens to be the exact distance from the sun and moon and just happens to have all the elements and the water, etc to make it the exclusive right place for life so far as we are able to observe from earth. Could all this have come to be randomly and naturally? I don't think so.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

I agree with most of what you said there Buz.The only thing I would mention, is that - is it not possible for God to use nature and randomness?Think about it. Me and you know that we've had our prayers answered - and it's remarkable - but most of them seem to come about by some natural way. If we required food for example - it would - apparently - by cance *supposedly* - land on our doorstep - so to speak. But guys like you and me know that everything has a purpose - even chance. Hope you know what I mean.

So you think God effected the premordial egg/soup and walked away, leaving it to do and become whatever it might do randomly and natural selectively all by itself?

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Well, all the evidence says that what we see, whether it's planets, solar systems, galaxies, or life itself simply evolved.That does not mean that GOD simply walked away. It does mean that there was no need to diddle the system. It's working just fine.Random Mutations and Natural Selection work every time.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't see how the Genesis record can possibly be construed as to being interpreted randomly and natural selectively. Take Eve, for example. According to the record Adam slept while God operated and created his lovely wife to look quite like him when he woke up. Randomness would've had him taking a megamillion year nap. I've come to find that God delights in answering many of my prayers for specifics in such a manner that I KNOW he did it.

As if any of us were there to know exactly. Someone on this thread was just saying that creos think they know it all You people seem to be the ones who think thataway. So did he do anything thereafter to keep it going as he wanted it? You seem to imply that he did indeed walk away, leaving it to itself totally. .......and precious little in the fossil record for verifying the billions of should be transitionals. Again, you people are acting as though you know it all.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-09-2004 08:38 PM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

But you don't HAVE TO take it literally Buz. Tis a very old book. Exactly. But most of them are natural right? God is so clever that he can use the natural to intervene in our lives.You can be sure God answers your prayers even if we evolved you know Buz. As for Genesis - didn't God "let the earth bring forth".

And that has what to do with the thread? If it ain't broke... And if I could show you that there are actually tens of tens of millions of fossils, that the fossil record is actually very extensive, there there are actually many, many transitionals would you change your mind or simply walk away?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

But you don't HAVE TO take it literally Buz. Tis a very old book.I take it all literally EXCEPT when the context indicates otherwise. Otherwise it becomes a smorgasboard of stuff for each to pick and choose to suit each's personal whims. Not in the random natural selective vein, no, definitly not. According to the fundamentals of the Genesis record and according to other scriptural texts, God created the species, including humans and we procreated from the originals.

Well - I mean, doesn't everyone have a different interpretation anyway?SOme things are obvious - like Jesus's peaceful teachings etc.. But what about fire-breathing dragons and talking snakes? Shall I believe in them, or did the authors get over-excited?This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-09-2004 09:10 PM

First, Genesis is not really a record but simply a collection of stories, many authors, many editors, written and redacted over many millenia. It's an anthology of anthologies.But Buz, GOD left us a direct record, the Universe, to learn from. It tells a far different story than Genesis.Why don't you believe the record that GOD left for us?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

If it bothers you so much, why didn't you ask the one who used it on us creationists what it has to do with the thread? Oh, so it just happened to have come out randomly and natural selectively just how God would've wanted it to-- earth popping up exactly where it HAD to be, relative to where the sun and moon popped up in the same random manner? Nobody's denying that. .....nor that. Billions, or even a few million from many species?

You think you can put limits on God? Doesn't it occur to you that this method makes it more interesting for God (if it really is "random" so he doesn't know the details of what will happen) or it is just how his actions appear to us (if he does know ).After all that everyone has said about God and his power you come along and decide what he can and can't do or will or won't do?

Jesus, the prophets and the desciples would all disagree with you, as do many scientists and other people in academia. Observation of what we can see of the universe leaves many questions and varied debatable hypotheses and theories at best, for answers. Why do you think the supreme creator who you think started it should not be involved in it's design and makeup? You God looks veeery impotently small, indeed.With that, I'll take a breather and hope that we may hear more from the thread op poster/author and others.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-09-2004 09:26 PM