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iano
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Message 239 of 302 (265297)
12-03-2005 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by purpledawn
12-03-2005 2:30 PM


Re: Purpose of the law
pd writes:
For all the times I've heard the statement that the law is to lead us to the messiah, no one has ever actually laid out the path of how it was supposed to do that.
Well you can tell everyone you heard it here first. Man in Romans 7. Toddling along either unconcerned about God and his law or thinking that by following the 10 commandments (for instance) that he is okay.
The God, by his spirit reveals to man what his law is. He starts showing both that:
a) his law must be kept in full otherwise damnation beckons
b) neither party is keeping it.
Both parties, the irreligious and the religious (righteousness by law adherent) get a shock. "Bu...bu...bu...but that means I'm going to go to hell. What on earth am I going to do. Even though I am now aware of the (full extent of the) law I find that no matter how hard I try, I cannot keep it. Who will save me from this body of death.
That's how the law does it (or rather God does it by applying his law to us, for us) It makes us cry out "HELP"
And that's all that God wants. Is for us to acknowledge that we need him, that we are in fact dependent on him to save us. For us to get off the throne we have set ourselves up on - be that the throne where God gets no look in at all, or the religious throne which defines for itself what law it reckons needs to be followed and to which extent.
God squeezes with the law. As soon as we squeak HELP he steps in.
Nobody leads another person to God. That is a figure of speech. God may us another to get his message out. But salvation belongs to God

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iano
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Message 242 of 302 (265690)
12-05-2005 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by ringo
12-03-2005 4:01 PM


Re: Purpose of the law
Ringo writes:
By the way, I wish you would also respond to the rest of my post - the part that purpledawn liked
You mean this?
Ringo writes:
Since you seem to have difficulty remembering your own position, allow me to reiterate mine: The main purpose of the law is for our benefit - not God's - to help us to get along with each other. Remember that the law can be a blessing as well as a curse?
What is your biblical basis for this?
"The law" is about outward things that we do, not about what we inwardly believe, or claim to believe.
This isn't very clear. "The law is about the outward things we do". Could you clarify. If I were to take our man made law and say "The law is about the outward things we do" I would not be making sense.
How do you propose to "lead someone to Christ"? By stepping over the tramp in the doorway? Or by helping him, as the good Samaritan did?
"The gospel is the power of God unto salvation". It is God who leads someone to Christ. And he does so with his gospel. Doing good works may cause one to wonder as to the reason why the person did it. They may reply "Because Christ lives in me and has changed me to conform more to his image". That may cause the person to investigate. But for a person to come to Christ the person needs God to do the work.
I think works are important as in the above example. But they have nothing to do with my salvation. Which is the issue being discussed here
Your motorcycle engine doesn't fulfil any of its multiple mini-purposes unless it actually does something - i.e. unless it actually works.
In order to fulfill the function of being a rigid body onto which componants can be fixed the engine doesn't need to work. It can fulfill the purpose of efficiently converting chemical energy into rotational energy but without a gear on the end of its crankshaft to transmit force to the transmission it is not going to result in the motorcycle going anywhere

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iano
Member (Idle past 1972 days)
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 258 of 302 (266774)
12-08-2005 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by jar
12-06-2005 11:59 PM


Re: Purpose of the law
jar writes:
In fact, a reading of Matthew 25 shows that the goats will be followers of Jesus, Christians while the sheep will most likely be Atheists, Agnostics and other assorted Pagans.
From the Clergy thread:
jar writes:
I happen to be a Christian.
jar writes:
Sure. If someone claims to be a Christian, then He is a Christian.
Thus you are a Christian. Thus you are a goat?

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 271 of 302 (266831)
12-08-2005 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by jar
12-08-2005 12:02 PM


Re: Purpose of the law
I'm confused. You say you're a Christian. You have said in a number of threads this last while that Christian won't be the ones to get to heaven. You suspect you won't get to heaven.
Is it because you don't think you are doing sufficient works. That you look at the standard and think "Shit...."
At what level of doing or trying do you think it is that someone will make the grade Jar

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