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Author Topic:   Right Behavior Inherits Eternal Life
arachnophilia
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Message 41 of 302 (260354)
11-16-2005 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Philip
11-16-2005 7:43 PM


Re: Gospel vs. Works
has no one posted this yet? clearly it's the philosophy present here...
quote:
James 2:17-26
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
faith shows itself through one's actions. if it's not showing, it's dead. one brings the other.

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arachnophilia
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Message 64 of 302 (261046)
11-18-2005 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by iano
11-18-2005 8:06 AM


Re: Gospel vs. Works
Maybe it's a one-way valve. Faith will produce works, but works won't produce faith.
no argument here.

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arachnophilia
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Message 68 of 302 (261102)
11-18-2005 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Philip
11-18-2005 6:32 PM


Re: Gospel vs. Works
excercises of faith? like, testing it?
thou shalt not tempt the lord thy god.
This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 11-19-2005 06:38 PM

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arachnophilia
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Message 72 of 302 (261340)
11-19-2005 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Philip
11-18-2005 7:30 PM


Re: Gospel vs. Works
those are all actions, philip.

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arachnophilia
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Message 93 of 302 (262206)
11-21-2005 9:25 PM
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11-21-2005 9:08 AM


Re: Gospel vs. Works
But merely pleasing others (i.e., hypocracy and/or flattery) with *right behavior* (e.g., *showing my faith by my works* toward others only) deludes myself (and others) into *thinking I have (e.g., merited) eternal life*
well, faith brings righteous actions. all the people in the bible who were brought to heaven, declared perfect, etc, were all justified by their actions -- because they were all men of faith.
i don't think you can separate the two.

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