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Right Behavior Inherits Eternal Life

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Message 120 of 302 (262669)
11-23-2005 10:52 AM 		Reply to: Message 117 by iano
11-23-2005 10:05 AM

A person who is not in Christ, who tries to do right always has the motivation: "do good stuff otherwise I'll be damned"
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Would an atheist say that?
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11-23-2005 11:44 AM 		Reply to: Message 124 by iano
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try to answer the question.
that does not answer the question.
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Would an atheist say that?
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11-23-2005 12:34 PM 		Reply to: Message 129 by iano
11-23-2005 12:31 PM

Re: try to answer the question.
no, you have made an assertion, several assertion in fact.
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You seem to like simply making assertions.
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Frankly, other than playing moving definitions, I don't really see what contribution your post makes.
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11-23-2005 2:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 131 by iano
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Re: try to answer the question.
The big deal is that instead of answering the question, you tried to change the subject. My question does not depend on whether or not atheists exist, only how they would answer the question.
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11-29-2005 12:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 166 by iano
11-29-2005 11:14 AM

Re: Right Behavior
So how do you recognize a Christian?
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11-29-2005 2:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 171 by iano
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Re: Right Behavior
Fruit. A babe will produce a little fruit. Maybe so little that you yourself can't percieve it. A teen will produce more. No matter. All children.
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I don't understand one word of that or what it has to do with the question asked.
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11-30-2005 10:20 AM 		Reply to: Message 178 by iano
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Re: Right Behavior
It's still not clear. I'm familar with the passage, but still need some claification from you.
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Are you saying that you could recognize them by their behavior?
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11-30-2005 11:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 183 by iano
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Re: Right Behavior
Nope by their fruit. That is not to say that someone who is not a Christian doesn't display nice attributes. Many do. But this fruit is fruit of the spirit and if one has not the spirit then one cannot produce this fruit. It stands to reason.
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Then we are right back to my original question. How do you recognize these Christians? How do you recognize this alleged fruit?
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11-30-2005 2:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 191 by iano
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Re: Right Behavior
So the question remains, "How do you recognize a Christian?"
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11-30-2005 2:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 198 by iano
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Re: Right Behavior
How would anyone know. "How can a Christian be recognized?"
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12-01-2005 8:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 214 by truthlover
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Re: Right Behavior
I recon we'll find out.
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12-06-2005 11:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 245 by jaywill
12-06-2005 11:24 PM

Re: Purpose of the law
The time of this judgment is after the Lord comes to sit on the throne of His glory to judge the nations who are left alive after the last few years of this age before He establishes His millennial kingdom.
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Ah, nice try. But not what the Bible says.
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Matthew 25 writes:
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32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
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Before him will be gathered ALL Nations. Not some remnant. All Nations.
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In fact, a reading of Matthew 25 shows that the goats will be followers of Jesus, Christians while the sheep will most likely be Atheists, Agnostics and other assorted Pagans.
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12-07-2005 2:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 249 by jaywill
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Re: Purpose of the law
We were discussing Matthew 25.
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Matthew 25 says all the nations. Pretty clear.
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It really is as simple as that.
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Message 253 of 302 (266490)
12-07-2005 4:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 252 by jaywill
12-07-2005 3:56 PM

Re: Purpose of the law
The Bible says that God will judge the living and the dead. It does not say that He will do so at the same time.
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True, he may do so on an ongoing basis. IMHO, probably does.
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But that still has nothing to do with the passage from Matthew 25.
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In there he gathers all the nations together. And divides them in two groups. Not three, two.
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He then goes on to talk about how the decision on separation is made, and it's on behavior. There is no direct mention of belief, but one very important alusion to it.
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The sheep are surprised that they were selected. Now if the groups contain belivers, then why the surprise? The sheep did not expect to be among the saved, they had no idea of why they were chosen, respond, "Are you sure?"
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The goats though are surpised that they are being excluded. They expected to be among the saved. They are shocked that they are not included and respond "Say What?"
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SO how can this be understood?
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I think it's pretty obvious that the believers, the Christians, will make up almost all of the goats. The sheep on the otherhand, never expected they would be saved. They are the Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Taoists, followers of Mencius, Confucious or Lao Tsu, pagans and satanists.
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Most of the Christians, those that think Christianity is some Get out of hell free card, that think they are saved, that they are different, they will make up the goats.
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It's really simple. Love GOD and love others as you love yourself.
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12-08-2005 12:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 258 by iano
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Re: Purpose of the law
Very possible, likely even.
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