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jar
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Message 269 of 302 (266824)
12-08-2005 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by jaywill
12-08-2005 11:23 AM


Re: Purpose of the law
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And now back to our discussion.
I read the Bible quite differently than you and hold a completely different view of Christianity.
In Matthew 25 there is still only two, not three groups. The phrase "the least of these my brothers" does not seem to imply a third group but to the members of both the sheep and goats.
Daniel, one of the more classic tales in the Bible, seems to be refering to the angels, those who minister to him, and humans, those gathered before him. So it's still but two groups, in that case, angels and humans.
Though you draw a distinction between the reaction of the sheep verses the reaction of the goats, I detect none.
How can you possibly read Matthew 25 and not see the difference in the reactions?
sheep writes:
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
The sheep are shocked. They did not expect to be among the saved. Now that is not the reaction that you'd expect from a follower of Christ.
goats writes:
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
And the goats too are shocked, shocked that they are not included. That is the response you'd expect from a believer, one who thinks that because they are a Christian, they will get to rule over others, to be among the elect.
'Taint necessarily so though. They, like so many Christians today, simply didn't get the message, the message that it's not what you profess, but what you do. To show a modern example, they would be the folk that support the Defence of Marriage Act and other similar oppressive legislation.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 272 of 302 (266837)
12-08-2005 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by iano
12-08-2005 12:36 PM


Re: Purpose of the law
I'm confused. You say you're a Christian.
Yes, I believe that is true.
You have said in a number of threads this last while that Christian won't be the ones to get to heaven.
No, that's not what I've said. I've said that it's less likely that Christians will get to heaven than an Atheist, as one example.
You suspect you won't get to heaven.
Certainly probably.
Is it because you don't think you are doing sufficient works. That you look at the standard and think "Shit...."
Nope, certainly not the later.
The goal is really simple, it's to Love GOD and love others as you love yourself. Remember, three parts; love GOD, love others, love yourself.
That's simple, but it's certainly not easy. I try, I know that I'll fail, and I can only hope that what little I've done is sufficient.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 284 of 302 (266954)
12-08-2005 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by jaywill
12-08-2005 6:30 PM


Re: The case of Sheep v. Goats
I think at this point, I would only want to ask you how seriously do you take the book of Revelation?
Revelations was very important, but refers to stuff that happened over a 1000 years ago, IMHO.
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jar
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Message 287 of 302 (266985)
12-08-2005 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by ringo
12-08-2005 8:02 PM


Re: The case of Sheep v. Goats
Please remember the second part of the two part Second Great Commandment. Love others, but also, love yourself.

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jar
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Message 292 of 302 (267006)
12-08-2005 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by jaywill
12-08-2005 8:32 PM


Re: The case of Sheep v. Goats
Nah, just read what's there.

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jar
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Message 295 of 302 (267013)
12-08-2005 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by jaywill
12-08-2005 9:16 PM


Re: The case of Sheep v. Goats
Poetic license.

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