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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Inkorrekt writes: IN simple words, whatever cannot self assemble or self synthesize is the work of an intelligent designer. How do you determine whether something "cannot self assemble or self synthesize"? --Percy PS - I think your characterization of ID is off-target at best, but we'll go with the horse what brought ya.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Intelligent Design. If you can understand intelligence and Design, then you have the answer.
I asked for a scientific answer. Just giving us a couple of words doesn't do it. If you could show us the designer in action, you might be making a start. Without evidence, all we have is your empty assertion that it is intelligent design.
But, Steve Jobs is lot more intelligent than me. Because, he DESIGNED the first apple computer.
We can find a lot of evidence on who designed the first apple. Where is the comparable evidence for the ID thesis? Impeach Bush
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
inkorrekt
Intelligent Design. If you can understand intelligence and Design, then you have the answer. IN simple words, whatever cannot self assemble or self synthesize is the work of an intelligent designer Then we shall admit that the intelligent designer is therefore subject to the same rule? In other words an intelligent designer is also the result of intelligent design correct?
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Menachem Inactive Member |
The Creator is Intelligent Design. There is none like Him.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
So,who designed the intelligent designer? Or, do you want a special pleading for him?
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Menachem
inkorrekt writes: Intelligent Design. If you can understand intelligence and Design, then you have the answer. IN simple words, whatever cannot self assemble or self synthesize is the work of an intelligent designer sidelined writes: Then we shall admit that the intelligent designer is therefore subject to the same rule? In other words an intelligent designer is also the result of intelligent design correct? Menachem writes: The Creator is Intelligent Design. There is none like Him. It is quite stunninng how you managed to neither answer the question nor engage in debate. Where did the creator come from Menachem? It is a simple question. Since the premise is that complex things must have been designed and,as it also follows,that the designer must itself be of greater complexity than that which it designed the question remains where did the Intelligent Designer come from? You could say that the Intelligent Designer{or creator in your case} self assembled but then you must explain how such is possible if there was nothing to assemble from. If there was something to assemble from we are again left with the difficulty of explaining what designed that something and we again face a paradox. You could say that the intelligent designer was its own creator but what does this mean? Whence came its intelligence we ask and again we are left with a vacuuous knowledge because we have waffled on the answer. Indeed such a statement is not an answer at all but an unsupportable declaration made to avoid the issue. Ganz Falsch Menachem. I humbly submit to you sir, the question once again. What designed the Intelligent Designer? This message has been edited by sidelined, Wed, 2006-02-08 07:15 AM But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.
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Menachem Inactive Member |
The Creator is Perfect - so He doesn't need assembling. Is that something out of human comprehension?
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Menachem writes: Well, you just told us that He's perfect and doesn't need assembling, so I guess He's not really out of human comprehension now is he. God I love circular reasoning!
The Creator is Perfect - so He doesn't need assembling. Is that something out of human comprehension?
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Menachem
The Creator is Perfect - so He doesn't need assembling. Is that something out of human comprehension? It is empty assertion only. Your conclusion {He doesn't need assembling} has not been demonstrated by you to follow from your premise {The Creator is Perfect} It is indeed outside of human comprehension for the simple reason that you have not explained anything nor offered a reasonable progression of organized thought to support your contention. Ganz Falsch a second time Menachem. You are 2 for 2. Try to express some level of intellectual discourse that clearly shows what compels you to think that your view is valid would you please? But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time. R.P. Feynman
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Not to mention that the premise itself may not be true. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6110 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
We do not know who the intelligent designer is. May be he is an alien from Mars, or a computer programmer,Steve Jobs, chemical engineer or anyone who has the intelligence to design.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
inkorrekt
We do not know who the intelligent designer is. Then what is all the effort for? You are adamant than an intelligent designer must be present and now you are,in essence, saying you do not know what you are talking about. Is this for real?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6110 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Amino acids do not self assemble and synthesize proteins. Chances of this occuring is less than 1 in (10 X 42) which is a statistical improbability.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6110 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Anything new requires intelligence. Ingenuity and creation requires some one who has the capability of design. Whoever that is. For you, it can be a programmer, for someone else, he could be a chef, he could be an artist or even alien from Space and all of them have intelligence. In science there is no magic. There is definite plan and purpose and a Designer.It takes lot more faith on my part to believe that everything self assembled( like proteins) than to believe in an intelligent designer who invents.
This message has been edited by inkorrekt, 02-12-2006 05:55 PM
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
inkorrekt writes: Amino acids do not self assemble and synthesize proteins. Chances of this occuring is less than 1 in (10 X 42) which is a statistical improbability. Could you tell us how you arrived at that number? "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin. Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?
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