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Author Topic:   A proof against ID and Creationism
sidelined
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Message 228 of 300 (284401)
02-06-2006 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by inkorrekt
02-06-2006 12:04 PM


Re: No creator, but science
inkorrekt
Intelligent Design. If you can understand intelligence and Design, then you have the answer. IN simple words, whatever cannot self assemble or self synthesize is the work of an intelligent designer
Then we shall admit that the intelligent designer is therefore subject to the same rule? In other words an intelligent designer is also the result of intelligent design correct?

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sidelined
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Message 231 of 300 (284880)
02-08-2006 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Menachem
02-08-2006 7:42 AM


Re: No creator, but science
Menachem
inkorrekt writes:
Intelligent Design. If you can understand intelligence and Design, then you have the answer. IN simple words, whatever cannot self assemble or self synthesize is the work of an intelligent designer
sidelined writes:
Then we shall admit that the intelligent designer is therefore subject to the same rule? In other words an intelligent designer is also the result of intelligent design correct?
Menachem writes:
The Creator is Intelligent Design. There is none like Him.
It is quite stunninng how you managed to neither answer the question nor engage in debate. Where did the creator come from Menachem? It is a simple question.
Since the premise is that complex things must have been designed and,as it also follows,that the designer must itself be of greater complexity than that which it designed the question remains where did the Intelligent Designer come from?
You could say that the Intelligent Designer{or creator in your case} self assembled but then you must explain how such is possible if there was nothing to assemble from. If there was something to assemble from we are again left with the difficulty of explaining what designed that something and we again face a paradox.
You could say that the intelligent designer was its own creator but what does this mean? Whence came its intelligence we ask and again we are left with a vacuuous knowledge because we have waffled on the answer. Indeed such a statement is not an answer at all but an unsupportable declaration made to avoid the issue. Ganz Falsch Menachem.
I humbly submit to you sir, the question once again. What designed the Intelligent Designer?
This message has been edited by sidelined, Wed, 2006-02-08 07:15 AM

But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

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sidelined
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Message 234 of 300 (285158)
02-09-2006 9:44 AM
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02-09-2006 7:27 AM


Re: No creator, but science
Menachem
The Creator is Perfect - so He doesn't need assembling. Is that something out of human comprehension?
It is empty assertion only. Your conclusion {He doesn't need assembling} has not been demonstrated by you to follow from your premise {The Creator is Perfect}
It is indeed outside of human comprehension for the simple reason that you have not explained anything nor offered a reasonable progression of organized thought to support your contention.
Ganz Falsch a second time Menachem. You are 2 for 2. Try to express some level of intellectual discourse that clearly shows what compels you to think that your view is valid would you please?

But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time. R.P. Feynman

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sidelined
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Message 237 of 300 (285469)
02-10-2006 10:37 AM
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02-09-2006 10:25 PM


Re: No creator, but science
inkorrekt
We do not know who the intelligent designer is.
Then what is all the effort for? You are adamant than an intelligent designer must be present and now you are,in essence, saying you do not know what you are talking about. Is this for real?

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