The Barbarity of Christianity (as compared to Islam)

An out of context quote does not mean anything.After allLuke 19:27

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

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That same technique can be used against Christianity too.

if you're going to say "islamo" make it one word and stop looking stupid. islamofascist is a word. islamo fascist is gook. if you want two words, use islamic fascist.you can't eve get your own language right and you expect to understand something written in another language?and yes, wahabis are fucking scary. i've read milestones. have you? but that doesn't mean their beliefs have any basis in reality.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

But Shraf, you are not a member of the government. Jar is saying that the belief system and religion called Christianity is evil, but then says he is a Christian. So my question is whether he is evil since he is a Christian.I think the relevant point is that jar wants to have it both ways. He wants to be able to say Christianity is evil, but he also wants to say he is good and a Christian. In other words, he wants the Christian label for whatever reason, but in all fairness, he really does not consider himself to be a member of what he rightly considers what is commonly known as "Christianity" because if he did, he would say some forms of Christianity are evil. By saying "Christianity" is evil, he assumes that there is a commonly known thing called "Christianity" and by his logic suggests he is not part of that but is rather in some minority viewpoint he calls Christianity (let's say Christianity-jar) but is not "the Christianity" he derides as evil.

Please provide quotes where I have said that Christianity is evil, and link to the exact post so that we can see them in contexxt. If you cannot do so then retract your assertion.What I have said is that historically Christianity has been barbaric and intolerant. As a Christian it is my duty to recognize and acknowledge those failures. To pretend that those acts, and the acts happening even today, are not committed by Christians, to claim that some group is "not real Christians" would be just dishonest. The actions today of Christians, the YEC movement, the Biblical Creationists, the IDists, those opposing human rights for homosexuals, those opposing stem cell research funding, those who are gutting our science programs and incouraging wilfull ignorance are as intolerant and bigoted as were the Christians that expelled the Jews from Europe time after time, that destroyed the civilizations of the Americas, that stole the land of others.I have not said that Christianity is evil. I have on many times said that I believe it is a beautiful and worthy regligion. But that does not mean it is without flaws. And if we wish to take credit for those things we consider wonderful, we must also take responsibility for those things that we find horrific.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I am responding to Shraf on threads and points made awhile back. if you feel you have been misrepresented, please clarify.In the past, you have not been willing to clarify, usually hiding behind claims of being off-topic or other means of avoiding clarity. So we have to go by what you have posted.My recollection is you claimed Christianity is evil, period, not historically that Christians have committed evil. I understand the Christianity you consider (or so I thought) to be evil is not the form of Christianity you yourself hold to, but that doesn't change the claim.Are you saying Christianity is not evil, but that merely many Christians have committed evil in the name of Christianity or exactly what is your claim in this regard?

Fine, provide the quotes with links so we can see them in context or retract your assertion.It really is that simple.

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Read the first page of this thread and many other comments on other threads, jar, and you can see where you continually make comments like this: When pointed out that nothing in Jesus' teachings suggest violence as a means of promoting his teachings is something Jesus sanctions and that early Christianity never held onto to such beliefs, but persecutions only came in with Constantine, you waffled, as usual, erroneously claiming we know practically nothing of early Christianity, that it was a minor sect.I believe you know your comments are wrong or that you should know, as the many threads discussing early Christianity have been evident, and the cause for the Empire seeking to make peace with Christianity had a lot to do with the fact it had become so prevalent, but maybe you have forgotten these things?Whatever the case may be, your arguments are clear. In the past and present, you argue Christianity is perhaps the greatest force of evil on the planet earth.My questions to you still remain unanswered by the way. So you have little reason to demand I answer you?Why won't you answer the questions raised earlier?For example, did Jesus teach such violence?How do you know who Jesus is and what is Christ-like if you think the scriptural presentations of Christ are doctored and false?Are you evil too since you claim to be a Christian and so promote Christianity as something presumably good?Edited by randman, : No reason given.

Randman, you can't make blanket assertions without showing the post that you took it from. Please either show the links to the assertion or retract the assertion.

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Provide quotes where I said Christianity is evil, in context or I will ask that you be banned from this board for misrepresentation and dishonesty.Fine, provide the quotes with links so we can see them in context or retract your assertion.It really is that simple.

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Jar is pretending he isn't dodging the issue. Here is some of the exchange from the first page.my comment jar responds my comment jar responds my comment jar's response (note a total evasion of the question and line of reasoning, as usual imo) my retort jar evades again I respond: Jar's comment, best comment yet, and not being as evasive. (Note the comment that the bad Christians are the real Christians, suggesting to me he considers Christianity itself to be wrong or evil) my response jar concludes with 2 points The relevant point, imo, is the comment that Christianity should not be considered in subgroups, but as a whole, and so my point is that jar claims that Christianity is evil, both in the past and present, as this thread shows.I tried to raise some issues on how to know what is "Christ-like" so there could be some logical understanding here. For example, the Pope probably says the papacy is Christ-like and always has been. I disagree, of course, and so does jar, but my point is that actually reading the gospels gives us a picture, a historical account of who Jesus is, and as people read the gospels in their own language, they tended over time to drop the Catholic heresy of persecution.So true Christianity, meaning Christianity in accord with the teachings and person of Christ, is not, nor ever has been a force for evil, as jar claims, and moreover, it is somewhat silly to say Christianity has no subgroups when in reality the main people killed by RC persecutions were Christian subgroups.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

You are still attacking the person and not being explicitly clear about the position.What Jar says is what he says. There is no need to interpret his response as evasive.The Forum Guidelines are the guide to be used. Jar has requested that you be reprimanded, so I am giving you this final verbal warning on these types of claims.Randaman, people are bound to disagree in a debate thread, yet we don't need to resort to goading or belittling the opponent in order to make our own claims valid. Lets stick to proper form and ettiquette. Forum Guidelines

The only issue underdiscussion here is wehther or not I said Christianity is evil and the context of that statement. You are trying to move the goal posts yet again as you always do when you are faced with a clear example of your misrepresentations.In Message 93 you said: Now either support that assertion or retract it.

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I provided a lengthy qu0tation of our exchange where you did indeed say that Christianity is evil, both in the past and present.Now, as far as board moderators, I personally think your behaviour here warrants a suspension for suggesting dishonesty and lying on my part when it is clear that you did, in fact, say Christianity is a force for evil but insinuate you did not and that I was lying.

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I provided a lengthy qu0tation of our exchange where you did indeed say that Christianity is evil, both in the past and present.

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Where? which post? Just highlight the bit where he says christianity is evil.Edited by CK, : No reason given.

It's deeply offensive to me to see jar get away with snidely suggesting I am or have been evasive of deceptive on this thread when I think our exchange shows I brought up legitimate issues, which were largely ignored, and that jar here has the gall to suggest I am being deceptive and evasive.I apologize for stating this on this thread, but honestly, I'd like to see jar at least somewhat reminded he is suppossed to respond and substantiate his points as well.